1914 Rear Spring Oilers??

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Van Cott on Friday, April 27, 2012 - 11:04 pm:

Can someone tell me if the 1914 rear spring had the flip top oilers? I know that the shackles had the brass type oilers but not sure if the spring bushings were oiled through the flip top oilers or if that came in later years? Thanks for your help. John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Friday, April 27, 2012 - 11:59 pm:

John, I believe they should be the brass twist type. I may be incorrect, but the encyclopedia only talks about brass ones for 14. I have seen the flip top type on the loop at the end of the spring, but don't know if they are correct.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan Mason on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 01:57 am:

Hello John,

The rear spring perches that mount on the backing plate for 1914 should not have a hole for the oiler. The bushings were oiled through the oilers on the shackles.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 07:37 am:

The springs also should not be drilled in 1914 for oil holes, nor are the bushings drilled. This is actually a 1913 but the rear axle details are all the same as '14.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike_black on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 07:56 am:

Royce,
Your pic shows the perches drilled. Is that later perches?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 08:48 am:

Mike,

The perches should not be drilled.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 11:14 am:

While we are at it, I notice the grease cup is not painted. I believe when the cars were new, they probably were not painted. Am I correct?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 11:27 am:

No; they weren't painted, they were real.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 11:34 am:

Larry

Likely the chassis parts were painted, this shot isn't real clear, from the Seattle WA Fairview and Valley assembly plant, March 30 , 1914.



Seems all the stuff on the rear axle is black.

More from March 30 1914






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph Magedanz on Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 12:36 pm:

R.V.,
Good thing they didn't have Photoshop back then...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 10:22 am:

Ford painted the front and rear axle assemblies with all the parts installed, so everything was black when new. When you see a freshly restored Model T it is not as Ford delivered it.

This is a brand new 1914. It would lose a lot of points in Stynoski judging I bet.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 10:14 pm:

Great photos Dan and Royce. Does anyone have clear shots of a front or rear wheel from this period showing the tire valve detail?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Van Cott on Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 11:30 pm:

I want to thank everyone who responded, I am learning as I go with the restoration. My rear spring leaf is drilled on each side, must be a later year. My guess is that the original leaf broke and was replaced by a later one. So I guess I am off looking for a replacement leaf, anyone out there have a rear 1914 spring leaf they want to part with?? Thanks Again, John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Monday, April 30, 2012 - 08:56 am:

Put a spot of weld on the hole and grind and sand it flat.
Easier and cheaper than getting another one.
That is assuming the one with the hole is on a tapered leaf set.

Herb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Monday, April 30, 2012 - 11:53 am:

Since filling the hole is merely cosmetic, and welding on spring steel is a no-no, just grab some JB Weld and fill the hole and paint over it.
Yeah, I'm lazy. . .
(and I don't own an arc welder!)
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 02:15 am:

JB Weld! And I do have an arc welder.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Victoria Australia on Wednesday, May 02, 2012 - 06:40 pm:

Looking at Dans pic, blown right up, it appears that those rear grease caps are painted black.

David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Wednesday, May 02, 2012 - 07:09 pm:

Royce, why would it loose points??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 06:24 am:

Because current AACA / MTFCI high quality Model T restorations have the oilers and bushings left unpainted. That would never have happened at the factory!

Also, how many points would be deducted for paint and upholstery quality here:





Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 11:51 am:

It is interesting that the car about appears to have the added body supports added around the back doors.


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