Wire or cotter pins

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Wire or cotter pins
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Fretschl Oshkosh Wi on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 09:33 am:

looking at the Ford service manual it says to wire the nuts that hold the ball cap in place for the wish bone. Question way not cotter pins?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 09:36 am:

A cotter pin will not prevent the bolt from coming unscrewed from the engine pan. Wire the two bolts together and they cannot turn.
Ron the Coilman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Fretschl Oshkosh Wi on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 09:43 am:

OK. I understand now. When I took it off the ball cap, one nut wouldn't come off and the bolt came off with it. Took the nut off when I had the bolt in the vise. Thanks for the answer Ron.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J Berch on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 09:51 am:

Not a ball cap but photo illustrates how wire is pulling bolt heads in the tightened position.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 10:33 pm:

The 4-dip pan is different. I use longer bolts from the bottom, and jam nuts on top. A jam nut is better than safety wire.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 10:44 pm:

Ricks, do you not use springs? Do you have an apco installed instead of the stock cap?

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, May 12, 2012 - 11:00 pm:

I don't use springs. If there's wear, I take it up with a coin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:58 am:

The springs are intended to allow the cap to float as the wishbone prevent the socket and pan from getting damaged.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 01:00 am:

Wow, that did not turn out right. It should say that the springs are intended to take road and prevent damage to the socket and pan.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 01:48 am:

I have had jamb nuts work loose from vibration. But then, I have also had tie wire break from vibration. Hence the annual walk around, inspect, and shake everything.
Since more than 90% of all the shock and stress from the front end is toward the back, and up, the springs really do not do that much. However, I still prefer to use them, and wire tie them right. I tie them in a figure eight. By crossing the wire in the middle, it reduces vibration on the tie wire.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 01:54 am:

I prefer to double wire the wishbone studs. Doing so better fills in the stud holes and makes it less likely that the nuts will be able to back off. Of course both pieces of wire would have to break before the stud or nut could come out.

Stephen


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