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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 10:42 am:

Well way before that is :-) How's that Hope and Change working for ya??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 10:47 am:

Actually, Jay, I am hoping for change.... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 10:56 am:

You mentioned the early days. I keep this around for laughs. Funny how some guys "just know".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 11:00 am:

So if the prez caused high prices, now that the prices are going down, does he get credit for that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 11:07 am:

Jeff, It depends which side of his mouth he's talking outa.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Hoffman - Gold Country of Calif. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 11:09 am:

Gas is up about 20 cents in CA this week........Doesn't matter a whole lot who gets the credit for that, it still stinks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:09 pm:

And not one mention of JP Morgan CHASE losing $2 Billion this week, thanks to de-regulation engineered by the Repubs and signed by Clinton in 1998. They are "too big to fail," which means us taxpayers will be holding the bag, known as socializing their losses.

It's speculators like them who bring us $5 gas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:12 pm:

How the heck does it go up in CA and down in N.J.?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:15 pm:

All me and alot of my neighbors have left is change.
Dang that gas price is something to see.I hear about those prices from the old people around.Funny how profit was being made by the companys at that price.
I still remember the day in 1984 I was able to fill up my town car with gas at 69.9 a gallon.Oh to see that price again!
I could afford to travel and see and do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:19 pm:

Charlie, I guess the "California" EPA gas blend for the summer is more expensive then the "New Jersey" blend. The EPA won't be happy until the USA becomes a third world county.....it's their divine progressive driven mission!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:29 pm:

Here's my view on the JPMC thing. This coming from someone who knows absolutely nothing about economics or investing, so take it with a grain of salt.

Somebody ought to go to jail. These guys say they expect to make x amount of money and drive the price of their stock up. Then they lose their shirts. Everybody that invested with them loses their shirt. The ones responsible may lose their job, but get a golden parachute larger than what most of us make in a lifetime. The government then bails them out with our tax money and the ones that are left divy it up amongst themselves as a bonus.

Do I have that about right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:38 pm:

Over night gas went up .10 a gal. The rich, famous and past and present elected are living well.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:42 pm:

Mack, you missed an important part of history. In 1981, Saint Reagan emasculated the DOJ Anti-Trust Division started by Teddy Roosevelt in about 1906. That meant big oil companies could buy up littler ones, and no merger that stifled competition was stopped.

Remember, Texaco, Atlantic, Richfield, ARCO, Conoco, Sunoco, and a hundred other pretty good sized oil companies? Remember when there was a gas station on nearly every corner?

The price of an item is what the competition charges.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:52 pm:

Still timely after 78 years...



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 12:55 pm:

http://video.staged.com/localshops/vw_passat_785_mpg_in_the_uk


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, Missouri on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 02:44 pm:

I bet people were complaining when it was 11 cents per gallon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tman - Right Coast on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 03:18 pm:

You are right Garrett but the Model T drivers back than were not as blind as now


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard Paulsen, San Buenaventura, Calif on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 05:25 pm:

Europe is pushing $10-per-gallon of gas, so I enjoy driving all of my classic cars here in California where gas cost less than half of that.

Totally unrelated, my wife has been shown the erected middle finger by Blue Cross who now claims that her fibrosis is a pre-existing condition. In English: $2,200 per month in health insurance premium for her alone or facing tens of thousands of dollars in hospital bills.

Luckily, she does qualify for something I owe President Obama: PCIP, a health insurance plan hat covers people with pre-existing conditions. So instead of paying $2,200 per month (I pay $1,268--had testicle cancer at age 28) she is covered for $370 per month.

So while I am not really happy with Mr. O's performance on many levels, and totally disagree with him on other issues, I am totally grateful to him that I am not facing bankruptcy because my wife now needs surgery. Somehow, the Reptilian's advice on "don't get sick" didn't work for my family.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 06:03 pm:

Reptilian: Good one, Bernard!

Keep your government hands off my Medicare!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 06:19 pm:

Europe's $10 gas is just taxes. We spend the same money on other taxes and health insurance, just not at the pump. Comparing US gas prices to European gas prices is comparing apples to oranges. It's no different than saying you spend X dollars on health care, but it's free in England. Maybe it's free when you go to the doctor, but you pay for it somewhere else. It's apples and oranges.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 06:43 pm:

The problem with California gas is that it is a different formula. So we can't import gas which was formulated for other states. When we have a shortage here, it goes up in price regardless of what it does elsewhere. Unfortunately, it also goes up here when it does elsewhere too.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 06:47 pm:

I was kinda surprised to hear yours had gone up. Our's has been steadily decreasing here for several weeks. It topped out at $3.99 and is now down to $3.49. I saw it for $3.29 over near the middle of the state yesterday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 09:04 pm:

Cheapest I saw here today is $4.19.9.
We are less than 20 miles from the Richmond refinery.
It's getting it over that 80 foot hill between Oakland and Richmond that makes it so expensive here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 10:36 pm:

Jay, I wish the economy was better but this thread has taken some of the pain out of the present day economic situation. I know where you stand, and I know where R.D. Ricks stands. If both of you had the same political views, this thread wouldn't bring a smile to my face. You know what they say, Opposites attract.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 02:17 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony Bennett on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 04:36 am:

I laugh hearing Americans complaining about the price of fuel while being glad we don't pay as much as the poms do.

Rest assured that there are a billion people in China and India each who presently make all our consumer goods for next to nothing... Just think of where the price of fuel will go when they all want cars and lifestyles like we have?

There have been no big new finds in the oil game since the 60's. What we're into now is only available because technology that for instance is used to GPS position a floating platform 2.5 kilometres above the seabed we're drilling into... and we know how safe and reliable that is. Think Deepwater Horizon!

Most of the fuel price is tax related of course, but I'd like to pay more tax, then I could demand better services, and better government, like the nordic countries get.

I just wish some of this cheap energy we're now ploughing through was invested in things that would last more than a couple of years... like public transport or even just a vacuum cleaner, without a disposable bag that was made of more metal than plastic.

I'm glad I can buy parts for my 100 year old car though:-)

cheers

A


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 10:58 am:

Anthony, While I will concede that you are right that there have been no oil discoveries of late that equal Middle Eastern countries in size, two relatively significant discoveries are currently being developed; the Canadian oil sands (in Alberta, I think) and the Eagle Ford formation in south central Texas. Both are being developed because of drilling technology, unavailable ten or twenty years ago. Small south Texas towns that used to be ghost towns with dilapidated buildings, now have every available commercial building rented and others being built. Oil companies are having to move in trailers for workers to live in because of scarce housing. If locals don't have mineral rights, they are still getting wealthy if they have surface land to rent for commercial or residential use. The Chinese and Indians that you mentioned are already using a significant amount of oil and that is causing price to rise. If those countries were oil self-sufficiant, you could probably knock at least a dollar off price of a gallon of gas in the U.S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 11:48 am:

We are dependent on petroleum products and we will be for generations so come. Our lives revolve around plastic. Almost everything we eat comes in a plastic wrapper, almost everything we drink comes in a plastic bottle. Most of the clothes we wear are made from synthetic (oil) fabric. Our houses are filled with plastic furniture and there are way too many of us and way too few forests left to go back to wood now, even if the 'greenies' in the EPA would allow it. Our cars are 50% plastic, the machines that make our goods are 25% plastic. The computer industry wouldn't exist without plastic semi-conductors.
As for the Deep Water Horizon spill, that could have been contained and capped far from shore if this administration hadn't 'dawdelled around' in it's typical fashion. We were offered technology from several nations to help clean up and contain that spill in the very beginning.
If what I'm saying gives some of you 'anti-oil' folks a headache, don't take an aspirin, it has 'oil' in it. ;-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 12:20 pm:

"I'm glad I can buy parts for my 100 year old car though :-).
Anthony, think about what you just said for a minute. That 100 year old car came about because of America's industrial revolution. The industrial revolution came about because of oil. You have to lubricate that car (quite often) with oil. That car was the answer to 'public transportation' for most Americans. I for one, enjoy being able to get in my 'private' Model T and going where I choose rather than where a set of rails takes me. I have become used to the idea of going where I want to go, when I want to go there, in a method of transportation that doesn't go 'on strike' at a whim. Would you ever consider leaving your Model T parked in a train station parking lot so you could take 'public transportation' somewhere else? You might find yourself using the original form of 'public transportation', (walking), when you got back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 12:25 pm:

I'm thinking $1.89 per gallon 3 years ago and now $3.73 in NH.

$0.25 to $1.89 over 40 years
and $1.89 to $3.73 over 3 years
- Yep that's Change! :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Leming on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 12:40 pm:

Dont want to start a political war, but anyone who votes for this dud again? well enough said!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 12:43 pm:

I'm 'agan 'em but it amazes me how many seem to still be for him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will,, Trenton,,,New Jersey on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 12:43 pm:

I’ve always had this thought. If you live to depend on something then you live pay the supplier what ever his price may be with out a choice. I’m sure many will disagree with me that if we got away from oil and poured more money into hydrogen energy it would solve a lot of are country’s problem. Think about it, you don’t have to deface hundreds of acres of wood land, You don’t need to drill for it and risk another disaster like the last big oil spill, We will never have to buy it from someone else as we have a never ending water supply from the oceans that we have on three sides and as americans it could be are turn to set a price for export instead of the middle east and other countries. Lets let them depend on us for a change. Even the bi product will fall from the sky as clean potable rain to help replenish it’s own needs. The only thing slowing it down is it’s cost to produce and to safely contain it for mobile use. I feel what is stopping us there is the big oil companies are scared to death it will work and put them out of work. The only bi product of hydrogen is clean water vapor and it has more combustion power than equal parts of gasoline. If they would put the same money into research for hydrogen gas as they do for oil exploration we could be using it with a couple of years. Even if we just used it to replace oil, propane and natural gas for home heat and cooking it could save America billions of dollars and still help clean the air.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 12:53 pm:

There is a tremendous amount of oil coming out of the Bakken in North Dakota and eastern Montana. If the administration would make some effort to approve routes for a couple pipelines to get it to the refineries instead of throwing roadblocks in the way there would be a significant amount of additional oil produced in this country. They are already producing millions of barrels a year.

Foreign oil supply is not as much of a problem as the price fixing and speculation of that oil is. OPEC will charge every dime they can as long as they can. They reduce production to keep supplies tight and production far lower than capacity to hold prices higher. There pretty much is no competition in the oil business anymore.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 02:47 pm:

Stan, I didn't mean to slight you folks in Montana and North Dakota. I guess I though your new oil discovery was part of the Canadian oil sands. The Bakken is in the papers down here as much as the Eagle Ford discovery. If anyone is young and looking for a job, this Sunday's newspaper said that the average entrance pay in the oil industry without experience is over $60K.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 03:44 pm:

Hydrogen is not an energy source. It is a way to store energy, because it takes more energy to make hydrogen than it does to just use the energy seperately.

The cheapest / easiest way to make hydrogen is to use massive amounts of electricity and natural gas to come up with a less useful amount of hydrogen.

In the case of a motor vehicle, natural gas is far easier and cheaper to use than hydrogen. Electricity is not an efficient way to power a vehicle, and hydrogen is simply a bad idea.

Any time you hear a politician (or anyone else) saying we are going to have hydrogen powered cars in our future you know he is either lying or crazy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Dexter, MN on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 03:52 pm:

I'm no fan of Obama, but the President who should be blamed for this topic would be Woodrow Wilson for signing the Federal Reserve Act on Dec. 23 1913.

Since then, the dollar has lost about 98% of its value.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 04:13 pm:

Derek - roger that, but Wilson isn't running this time so I will vote for the guy who is capable of easing the pain at the pump.

Or you could say I am voting against the guy who has made the problem worse than all the other presidents combined.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 04:41 pm:

Well oil per barrel is down this morning.94 something.Check oilprice.net.Gas is 2.95 a gallon at the moment wholesale.
The dang tax is 1 thing eating us up in NC.And the money is wasted on light rail and other unfeezable transportation.
Light rail is no good except right in town.Out in the country,people still need cars.I could just see Montana getting a goverment grant to build a state wide light rail system.1 or 2 people paying .50 cent to ride a 40 million dollar train.
The folkes in California must make alot of money to be able to continue to afford to live there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 05:57 pm:

Diesel was $4.69 a gallon yesterday in the California mountains. Costco gas was 10 cents higher a gallon inland by the freeways where people have to fill up than on the sea coast where people just go in the get a ham or a pizza and some toilet paper and some gasoline. By the way Atlantic Richfield is ARCO and they are one and all the same that's what it stands for AR stands for Atlantic Richfield and CO stands for Company. EXXON MOBIL is Standard oil, which was Socony or Standard Oil Company of New York. . . S O C O N Y Then it was General Petroleum and then it was Mobil Gas. It's just a monopoly of guys selling oil at high prices and changing their names to protect themselves. Standard oil stations were red white and blue and company owned and operated. Chevron stations were yellow green and brown and owned by private folks but they sold the same products.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 10:22 pm:

A ray of hope for all off us. With the new hydrofracking and horizontal drilling technologys many geologists believe America will be energy independent once again by 2030.

Course I won't be here to enjoy it and bread will be $20 a loaf ;o)

schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 10:38 pm:

I got gas on the way home tonight in the Montclare section of Oakland. The cheapest gas in that area was $4.53.9! That was Chevron 87 octane.
The place was full of customers smiling because they know the extra tax the higher price creates will help buy a lot of cellphones for the poor lazy bastards that refuse to work and it will help get a lot more new mu slums into the country.
They mostly had their Obummer stickers on their expensive cars.
I was there because I had to check on getting an old MG started that sits in a carport behind a house that was just sold. The asking price was 13 million.
As I sat and waited to go in I saw the neighbors drive by with their stickers all over the rear of their cars. Lewd, leftist, hate America commie ass kissin dismantle America liberals.
I too am amazed at how people want to destroy this country. makes no sense.
You see if gas gets up to $100 a gallon they will keep driving their big gas hogs and the rest of us will be walking. That is what the rich liberals really want.
Get rid of the medium class. Slaves and masters.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz-Knoxville,TN on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 11:06 pm:

Take all of your POLITICAL CRAP somewhere else, this is a forum for discussing the Model T.
Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 11:21 pm:

I had stayed away from this. Wish I had stuck with the plan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J Berch on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 11:38 pm:

Well said Rick G but it's not going to happen anytime soon. As the election nears, my bet is we'll probably see more and more threads like this one.

I've never been to an organized Model T event but have often wondered if this is what you guys talk about? If so, I probably won't be attending one anytime soon. I used to come here to escape politics and the daily grind, but it seems to creep in and take over what was once for me an enjoyable forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 01:18 am:

I would rather not get into politics on this forum as well but there's a lot at stake in this next election and anybody who doesn't think that the ownership of 'hobby cars' by people who have way too much 'disposable income', couldn't become some future source of taxation or other over reaching government 'regulation' is being naive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 01:39 am:

Have you ever persuaded anybody to your point of view by argument? No. People believe the "facts" that support their opinions. That's why we have MSNBC and Fox (and politicians of both parties) to tell people what they want to hear.

John, the good news is that I haven't heard much political blather at Model T events. It seems more pervasive online than in real life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:27 am:

Good analysis Steve

schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:44 am:

John, I will second what Steve said. I rarely hear anything political at Model T get-togethers. Mostly cars, jokes and general chit-chat.

As far as the forum, my recollection is that national elections tend to bring with them an increase in the political stuff on the forum, which will then die back down after November until 2014. It's more on people's minds right now, so it shows up here as well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:50 am:

Okay, this is for John... completely non-political and somewhat light-hearted.

At my recent annual physical, the blood work showed some elevated liver counts that concerned my doctor, so he ordered more blood work and a CT scan of the abdomen. When I had the scan, I was put in the machine and instructed by an attractive young woman (never sure who is what in a hospital. RN maybe?) In any case, she had covered me with a sheet and asked me to lower my trousers far enough to get my belt and belt buckle out of the image field. When I had had the two scans (without and with contrast), she slid me out of the scanner and said, "You can pull up your pants now. We're finished." I said, "Wow! It's been years since I've had a young woman say that to me." Cracked her up.

PS. Scan and new blood work were fine. Doctor thinks the previous blood counts were affected by medication with the surgery.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J Berch on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 12:03 pm:

That's good to know that people don't haul their cars hundreds of miles and spend beau coup bucks just to stand around and argue politics. My wise old uncle used to say "Politics, Those are the worst ticks of all".

Dick that's funny. Believe me, I know the feeling. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rik Van on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:15 pm:

Gosh this is strange there are people chatting on here about their health issues and politics???....whats next a thread about how to knit seat covers? pics of guys having tea parties with their cats in their model Ts? rofl!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:36 pm:

Dick, I have an appointment with urology at the VA tomorrow which will probably include another prostate exam since I'm a member of the "Agent Orange Health Club". Last time, I had some pretty young nurse sticking her finger up my Butt. I commented to her, "that alone would wash me out of medical school". :-)
As for all this 'politics', just keep in mind gentlemen, in many nations on this planet, 'talking politics' over the Net will get you a visitor at your front door. At least we're not there, (yet). Considering the people I communicate with and the conservative sites the Mrs, and I post on, I'm sure we're probably on Barack Obama's 'Enemy's List' somewhere by now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:46 pm:

Rik, there's a real simple way to avoid it. ;-) ;-)
Our cars are part of our lives and sometimes, it's just going to be unavoidable to talk 'cars' without getting into how we came to be who we are. These topics are few and far between (thankfully) and you're only one mouse click away from avoiding them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael W. Herndon on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 03:58 pm:

At the end of Woodrow Wilson's life, he stated that he was afraid he had betrayed the country by signing the Fed into law, giving us to private enterprise as it were. Indeed, he did!

Regardless of all the reasons, it does appear that the world we live in is no longer the world we grew up in, and the US is becoming what our founding fathers were afraid it would become and tried to prevent it. The constitution has been under attack from the moment it was signed and before. Washington and others knew it then.

However, it does seem that this attack has escalated dramatically under the current administration even though it was under attack during the last administration, and the one before, and the one before.

The reason, it seems, that government does not like the US constitution is because it limits them. In other words, it does exactly what it was intended to do: Limit the federal government. So they attack it at every turn and since they are succeeding, they attack it even more and more. The current administration, again, seem to be especially fervent in the destruction. You cannot square our constitution with socialist/marxist agendas.

But then, that is why it was written as it was: To prevent the current attempts at tyranny.

Basically, in the long run, we are screwed. So drive your Ts and enjoy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 04:08 pm:

...and then you die.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Aber on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:17 pm:

California has it's own unique state rules which differ from the rest of the union, and that is what causes both higher prices and greater price flux.
This site explains their particular issue. The federal taxes are the same everywhere as are the EPA rules.
/link{http://www.fuelfrugal.com/Why_Are_California_Gasoline_Prices_Higher_And_More_Var iable_Than_Others.html, California Fuels}


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Mullis on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:55 pm:

Well said Michael W. Herndon, well said.

I say it this way: "America is outlawing itself".
Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.

I always drive my T to the polls so I guess I'm not off topic if I talk politics here. (grin)

I think I'll take my T and go for a ride.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony Bennett on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 12:08 am:

I'm not saying we cant use oil, far from it. What I'd like people to realise is that it's far too precious to BURN every drop we can find.

Helium can't be synthesized, it comes form oil deposits, so we use it to fill birthday baloons. There are plastics that do amazing things for us in semiconductors and heart valves and computers... the list is endless.

We shouldn't be demanding cheap fuel to haul ourselves and our air conditioning and air bags at 70mph just whenever we want to... because it will deny our children and their children some of the brilliant things plastic makes.

Public transport works... just look at Portland in Oregon. They have planning laws to prevent urban sprawl and wherever they drive a new tram line, development and investment and prosperity follows.

Compare it to Atlanta Georgia, where they spend some 25%(?) of public money building roads to fill with cars to get people to and from work, so they can get money, to buy fuel, to get to work... mortgage defaults were proof that this sort of system doesn't work.

I believe that in the thirties there was a joint venture company formed by GM, Firestone, and Standard Oil. Their stated aim was to buy up tramways, scrap them and furnish buses that weren't as civilised to travel in. Wether the bus company survuived long term didn't matter. These free enterprise companies had given the public a choice. Buy cars and oil... or take a bus, which used oil.

Can you see how that works?

What I'm saying is that the status quo is not the way forward, especially if you believe in the 96% of peer reviewed science that says the climate is changing.

On that note, no one is disputing the fact climate changes over the millenia, what worries those who study it is THE RATE OF CHANGE. There are good records that say we're seeing change 10 times faster than ever before. There are glaciers that are gone. Greenland has a summer. Scotland can't hold a curling competition any more. You might get a forrest, or a coral reef to migrate in 1000 years, but not 100. It's not about us... its about our grandchildren.

I like my model T, because it's about as effieceint as motoring gets insofar as there is no extraneous crap going with me everywhere I go. It's easy to repair. Light. Fast enough to get me anywhere in reasonable time. It's a brilliant design that should be celebrated, but it's nothing like as good as a bicycle.

Complaining about the price of fuel, or electricity, or health care is a first world problem. Be thankful you have access to these things because for many just having food and clean water is a luxury.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 06:49 am:

I am complaining about hypocrites in the democrat party who say one thing and then do another. Their positions shift based on demeaning other people, not for any genuine concern.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 07:19 am:

Speaking of hypocrites, will the real Barack Obama please stand up.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, ‘the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006


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