Photo: Hit by a train

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 04:11 pm:

I can relate to this as I did something similar in 1976.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Stephan Two Rivers Wisc. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 07:40 pm:

Thats about Harlem Ave and North Ave in Elmwood Park. Leyden Township... just NW of Chicago. I like the diagonal flow radiator. Pretty robust!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 08:39 pm:

Actually Bill, you're real close; it's about 4 blocks west of Harlem Ave, and the Milwaukee Road tracks (now Metra) cross 73rd Ave. about a block south of Grand Ave. (which is a mile or so north of North Ave.)

That little type written news article sure "rings a bell" with me as I'm a retired Milwaukee Road/Union Pacific RR police officer that grew up about 3 miles west of Elmwood Park. My first 4 years as a RR cop was with the Milwaukee Road in Chicago, and I investigated numerous car/train accidents in that area; not the most pleasant duties of a railroad police officer, believe me! Of course I worked in that area about 40 years after the Model T years, but car/train accidents have not changed much over the years; pretty ugly, however, per capita, fortunately there are less of them nowadays!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 08:42 pm:

Would like to have seen that car BEFORE the accident; unusual to see the drum headlights on a sedan like that!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

I'd like to see the passenger side of the car. With the amount of daylight you can see through the car, it must have been pretty much demolished on that side. Do you suppose the impact knocked the tires off or could they have been removed by scavengers? Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, Missouri on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 09:25 pm:

Isn't this a Centerdoor?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 09:33 pm:

Garrett, that is a fordor sedan.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, Missouri on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 09:41 pm:

Oh, now I see.

First I thought that the door handle I saw was on the center door. But it's actually on the front door. Sorry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 09:49 pm:

Garrett, there is no need to be sorry.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Stephan Two Rivers Wisc. on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 09:58 pm:

Hey Harold.... never knew you were a train cop too! Im vaguely familiar with that turf; have some cousins in Norridge. I didnt realize the MRRR ran that far west. Thought that it ran east up through Glencoe and Great Lakes etc... So on that note, check this out... ws

[IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/rkv95g.jpg[/IMG]

I know what it is (other than a Pennsy unit) what say the steam exspurts???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 10:04 pm:

It was the "new" style Fordor body with a wood firewall. I would have thought that by the time the new closed cars came out the firewalls would have all been steel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 10:11 pm:

Richard, the Fordor is a 23-25 most likely a 23 because of the firewall. Maybe the wood firewall was a left over from center door production?

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 11:14 pm:

I'd like the radiator cap for my Fordor....... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 01:14 am:

Harold, you shouldn't be surprised that they are drum headlights, it says right on the description they were musicians. =)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Borland. Bathurst. NSW. Australia. on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 01:19 am:

It seemed to be a fairly well optioned car. Drum headlights,speedo and is it a Fatman steering wheel?

Peter


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 01:47 am:

Bill Stephan - That's a fantastic photo! I'm sure no expert, but I do know that that's a picture of a Pennsylvania RR steam engine sometimes called a "Sharknose", not to be confused with a later diesel locomotive with the same nickname.

That steam engine is called a Duplex, because it is basically two steam engines under a common boiler, similar to a Union Pacific "Big Boy" or the slightly smaller UPRR "Challenger", except that those engines were articulated "Mallet" type engines, but the Pennsy Duplex with 4-4-4-4 wheel configuration was not articulated but a rigid frame. One heck of a big engine for sure, and that's a great picture Bill.

However, this IS a Model T Ford forum, and we'd better stick to "flivvers" as there's only a few other "steam nuts" on this forum like you and me and David Dewey, Ken Lauderback (sp?) and a few others.

And Unca' Stan,.....what can I say! Yeah, musicians,...you're right!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 06:18 am:

I have a pair of those drum headlights on my speedster. They were nickel plated over the brass. The front rim is exactly the same as the rear one, which is purely decorative and is held on in the same way as the front rim. Nice lights.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will,, Trenton,,,New Jersey on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 07:26 am:

Interesting how the tire came complety off the rim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Stephan Two Rivers Wisc. on Monday, May 14, 2012 - 08:39 am:

To keep this on topic, the Model Ts didnt have the same wheel slippage problem that the 4-4-4-4 had due to insufficient tractive effort. Also Model Ts had the cylinder araingement in-line where as the Duplex had 4 HP units, and one style that failed had two up front and two facing forward under the cab. Mustve been a Dodge design! ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kmkGSSaxMU


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 03:20 am:

There has been a steering wheel like that one for sale on eBad off and on for some time now. I haven't seen it for a few weeks, maybe they finally sold it. Personally, I didn't care for that one, no matter how rare it is. I know it is proper vintage, but it just looks too '40s for me. Although I wouldn't mind restoring those headlamps.
Notice how the wheels plowed through the soil.
I like steam trains also! And most of this thread is definitely T related.
Then or now, you don't want to try to beat a train to the crossing.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:03 am:

Sorry guys. I know it's really not a laughing matter, but I think of Ullyses Everet McGill and the little Warvy gals every time I see the title of this thread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Stephan Two Rivers Wisc. on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:25 am:

Re: Wheel... My dads 1926 fordor had one; it was a soft octagon wood wheel with a lock. The key was inserted in the face. If you crashed, your forehead got impaled on the key! Notice the underwheel horn ring? ws


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 10:37 am:

Yep Hal, Poor Ullyses..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-AK3wQaTQ
The little Warvy gals singing part was done by the very real Parsall sisters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc6mcKUucaw
Now grown up and sadly not performing together any more.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Kennedy on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 11:24 am:

That is the builders photo of Baldwin Locomotive Works' PRR' prototype T1 4-4-4-4 Duplex passenger locomotive. T1s were equipped with Franklin Rotary Poppet Valve steam distribution system. The idea of a duplex type was to lower the mass of the reciprocating assemblies for better balancing, higher achievable drive wheel speed and to reduce track damage. The T1s had poor footing when starting a train. To heavy of a start would cause boiler water to slosh to the back of the boiler and reduce weight over the front set of drivers causing seviere wheel slip. The second down side of the T1 was that the poppet valves were inside the locomotive frame making adjustments and repairs a complex and time consuming task.
There was a T1 that was in a wreck and it was rebuilt using conventional Walschaerts valve gear and subsequently classed T1A and was consisted the best runner of the T1 fleet.
The freight duplex, PRR class Q2 was of the 4-4-6-4 wheel arraignment with 69" drivers and all built with Walschaerts valve gear. They were also equipped with an anti wheel slip device that the T1s didn't have. They also had a draw bar horse power rating just under 8,000. Compared to PRRs class "J" 2-10-4, the economies of the Q2 did not over take the similar wheel arrangement class J until reaching speeds of 50 mph or more which was well above PRR freight train speed practices of the time. Interesting to note the the Q2 was more powerful than the largest of the steam locomotives, the U. P. 4000 class 4-8-8-4 Big Boy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Leming on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 09:12 pm:

Is this thread about locomotives or a model T??? I really wish we could keep on subject. Dont mean to be rude or intrusive but really??


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