HELP ME identify these T head lamps ADLAKE?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: HELP ME identify these T head lamps ADLAKE?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JAMES STARKEY Naperville, IL on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:04 pm:

What years were these yoke mounted headlamps used? Also why do the have the manufacturer's ADLAKE logo on them rather than Ford? Aftermarket??

I have the copy 1928 Ford T parts manual but the headlamp shells it shows only goes back to 1915.

PS. They are wet in photo because I just finished primer & wet sanding.

Thanks in advance, I learn as I go with these T's. Jimmy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Schwab on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:14 pm:

Why are you working on your T on the roof????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JAMES STARKEY Naperville, IL on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:17 pm:

Thanks for your help Dave!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT BERGSTADT on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:20 pm:

Early 1915 T


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JAMES STARKEY Naperville, IL on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:23 pm:

Was that style used for any previous years Robert?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT BERGSTADT on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:26 pm:

I think 15 only but Ford might have put on some late 14's I had a 14 years back with them


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:38 pm:

If they were original 1915 Model T they would be marked E&J, not Adlake. They are aftermarket for pre - 1915 T I think.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 02:50 pm:

ADLAKE is the brand name for Adams and Westlake. They were a manufacture of a great variety of kerosene and electric light for the transportation industry. Most railroad lights were by this company. They also made kerosene lighting for Pullman cars. Also kero side lights for trucks. I have several pair of them for trucks and four or five of the railroad switch lights.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 03:14 pm:

Some adv on aftermarket yoke style electric headlamps.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 05:49 pm:

According to Prof. Boggess, the 1915 fork-mounted headlamps belong in the same dustbin as the 1915 Klaxon. Neither are/were factory equipment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Harris on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 06:19 pm:

R.V.
Does that go for Canadian built cars too ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 06:45 pm:

Gavin,

For Canadian cars there is ample proof that Ford of Canada for quite a while during the 1915 production used the fork mounted electric headlamps. Below is a new 1915 being uncrated in New Zealand – not out of the crate yet, and the fork mounted electric headlamps are clearly visible. (Photo from the Colonial Motor Company NZ Collection. Used by permission. Thank you to Roger Gardner who sent the photo and used it on page 22 of his excellent book “Ford Ahead – A History of the Colonial Motor Company Limited.”)
For a detailed explanation please see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/24151.html



For USA production there has been and continues to be a debate which was also discussed in the same thread above. Short summary: Bruce in his Encyclopedia has the fork mounted electric headlamps shown and listed as used during the early 1915 USA production see: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/I-O.htm#lamps where he states, “During the latter part of 1914 and perhaps early 1915, headlamps were fork-mounted, on the same forks as used by the carbide lamps. Early in 1915 the lamp with the riveted-in-place post became the standard. All were electric, powered by the magneto with the bulbs wired in series. Brass rims discontinued about June 1915.” Trent Boggess has looked repeatedly and has not yet (as of the posting above – and probably still not) found any documentation in the Benson Ford Archives to support normal 1915 production using the fork mounted headlamps. And many of us are still looking to see if we can find additional evidence to support one or the other theory. Note Bruce and Trent disagreed but were still very agreeable that additional evidence might later be found that would clarify the question. In the mean time if anyone has some early photos of T’s on the factory assembly line with fork mounted electric lamps – please let us know.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off (clearly stem mounted – but Ghost had the fork headlamp brackets until as a teenager I swapped them out for stem mounted lights – because that was “correct.” I am still looking for additional information because of that.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Harris on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:12 pm:

Thanks Hap,

I will keep a copy of that photo for all the local doubters.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 06:55 am:

Here are more.


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