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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 06:28 pm:

What year/model is this?


torpedo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 06:45 pm:

23 to 25 touring


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 06:46 pm:

Not a lot to go on, mid 20's Touring Car would be my guess. Been there quite a while considering it's half buried in silt. Depending on what kind of water and where, that one might be worth digging out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:03 pm:

Is that a honey comb radiator?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:04 pm:

I thought it might be a Torpedo. ???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Stinchcomb on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:08 pm:

Wow, that is very cool. With so much silt, it may be in decent shape under it all. Of course I said that about the Titanic before it was discovered and that didn't work out too well. Either way, my gear is ready to go. When do we go and get the car out of there?

Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:10 pm:

A note from the diver / photographer.

If I remember from the newspaper articles, this is a 2-door 1924 Ford Touring Car that went through the ice on Lake Mendota in 1928 or 29. Hoping that my car friends will correct me if I'm wrong on the ID. This was a tough find in the winds this morning!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darin Hull on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 07:52 pm:

Neat photo. What depth was it at?

Darin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Stephan Two Rivers Wisc. on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 08:03 pm:

Is that in the offshore sewage dumping area from that diving website you posted. Might only be a skeleton left under that "mud"... ws


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 08:05 pm:

Can you rent an underwater prop thrust blower, equipped with a long flexible tube, using your boat propeller, to blow the silt off and away from the car? It will take awhile for the silt to settle, but, once it does, I'll bet you will be pleasantly surprised. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will,, Trenton,,,New Jersey on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 08:12 pm:

Like Jim said, being buried under that silt you may be very happy,,, The silt will protect it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 08:45 pm:

Fordite wheel looks OK...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:32 pm:

2 door touring? 3 door touring. Could be a Canadian 4 door touring.
For sure a honey comb radiator, probably has a Ruckstell and special wire wheels, ect.
Or... maybe it is a fully equipped snow mobile that when through the ice!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:51 pm:

Ran when last parked. Make offer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 09:58 pm:

Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if all that was there is what you can see, and that nothing existed beneath the silt????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 10:41 pm:

This reminds me of the story of Ole and Swen out fishing, Ole catches a fish and Swen stands up to net it when he falls in. Ole finishes reeling in the fish, then he dives in to get Swen who can not swim. Ole pulls him back in the boat and as he is not breathing, give him mouth to mouth. Ole exclaims, golly Swen, you sure have bad breath, and I do not remember you wearing a snow mobile suit.
Best
Gus


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Lovejoy, So Cal on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 12:43 am:

Very cool, thanks for posting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 06:40 am:

The diver that took the photo stated that they had cleared the silt several seasons ago. The car is intact. No pictures from that event that I know of. The silt collected again after just one season. There must be a constant current over the car. This is a fresh water lake, Lake Mendota in Wisconsin. Max depth is about 80ft.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan George Long on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 06:52 am:

Looking at how the windscreen glass is broken its certainly not a new laminated style!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Stephan Two Rivers Wisc. on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 06:53 am:

For the last 100 years, the UWM students have been doing ice pranks. Theres probably WAYYY more stuff down there! ws

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1170&bi h=522&wrapid=tlif133716543412610&q=Lake+Mendota&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x8807ab 6df1e5564f:0x80e6809f6b8bd247,Lake+Mendota&gl=us&ei=goazT5yqJonO9QSItr3PDA&sa=X& oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=2&ved=0CDgQ8gEwAQ


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 07:43 am:

Fascinating picture :-)
The wood pieces holding the body together will likely crack and fall to pieces when it dries if the car is salvaged to dry land. The 17th century wooden ship Vasa made of oak had to be sprayed with a polyethylene glycol mix for 17 years after it was lifted in 1961, then had to be slowly dried for 9 years to fully conserve the wood without distortion.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship)
Ok, thee ship's structural wood is considerably thicker than the wood parts of a T, but rewooding is likely the fastest option for this one :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 12:24 pm:

Does it have a water pump?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 12:40 pm:

How many cars in Minnesota have sat for 83 years with pure water in the radiator without experiencing any freeze damage? This may be some kind of a record.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike bartlett Oviedo,Fl on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 01:20 pm:

Has anyone heard that there are over 700 ships at the bottom of Lake Michigan?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 01:21 pm:

Does the water in Wisconsin stay cold year round? The frigid temperature of the water in Stockholm harbor, where the Vasa (spelled Wasa, pronounced Vasa) sank in 1628, was too cold for the wood worms and organisms that make fast work of underwater wood in warmer climes. That is why the Vasa was in such good condition when it was found in 1956, 328 years later. www.vasamuseet.se/en. (Wasa Museum in Stockhom). Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Stephan Two Rivers Wisc. on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 05:31 pm:

In 1980, my dad was a semi retired engineer on a tug boat, There was a collision in Traverse Bay Mi. when the boat sank and took him down to davy Jones' locker. At a depth of 400 feet the temp is a constant 38F. Last year we went on an expedition with UMTC on their research ship and watched an ROV make the dive to the tug.
The same guy Hans VanSummerin, did torpedo logistics for NATGEO on Jap bombs in Pearl Harbor last year. ws


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 09:00 pm:

Bill, I had never heard about that sinking until now. I am sorry for what happened to your Dad.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 10:08 pm:

There's a video on the Vasa Museum website that shows the ship being raised. Obviously, someone over there knew what they were doing. Rediscovered in 1956, it broke the surface in morning hours of April 1961. So, if something that's 333 years old can be saved, these Model T's can. But at what cost?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 01:38 am:

Lake Superior stays cold all year because it is fed by underground rivers & springs.
I seem to remember that it stays around 42 degrees.
There are other lakes in Wisconsin that warm up in the summer just like everywhere else.
I used to know a guy in St.Paul that would dive for salvage companies.
He said that when a boat sat upright on the bottom it would often rock back and forth side to side causing it to sink in the mud but a car sitting on its wheels would not sink in the mud.
He told of finding boats 10 to 20 feet into the mud. They knew where they were they just couldn't hook on to them because they were in mud too deep so this guy would wiggle down and attach a cable.
He told of a sight seeing wooden boat he hooked on to that was completely covered in silt in a very short time in a Wisconsin lake.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 07:57 am:

Look at the top center section of the windshield frame. It appears to be broke in two. The brass channel is still there. This might be an indication of the condition of the metal in the car. But who knows, maybe windshield frames were a different alloy than the body.

Herb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 08:14 am:

Looks like there might be a hole in the top of the hood in front of the windshield on the passenger side where the silt has seeped through. An indication of rust through (If that is what that dark area is). Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 11:07 am:

That's not a hole. It's plant life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 12:05 pm:

Are you sure William? I hope you are right, but it doesn't look like plant life to me. It looks to be a rectangular hole, at precisely the angle of the hood, about the size of a wall outlet and it appears that there are strands of silt hanging down into, what appears to be the edge of the hole. Again, I hope I am wrong as I would like to imagine that there is a solid,, preserved, restorable T under all that silt. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 02:32 pm:

Come on guys let's go get this T!! Can anyone swim? Can you imagine the bragging rights to this restoration. This would be fun!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 02:36 pm:

You guys go ahead. I ain't that ambitious.:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Shawn Hayward on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 02:41 pm:

If we are serious about getting these cars up,
we could do it , and make money for our hobby,
History channel has all kinds of programs we could tie this into,
History detectives for one, get the serial # or license plate # of this car, trace where it was built , who owned it, how it got there and how long ago,
and then show the raising and restoration,

just an idea,,,,,but who gets the car??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 03:27 pm:

I'm fairly certain. Think of it as looking at the back of it, and it's in shadow, sitting in the curve of a hillside.

And even if it is a hole, that hood would not have prevented water from getting to the engine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 03:46 pm:

Mike Conrad - I live about 100 miles from Madison, WI and my daughter lives in Madison about 1 block from Lake Mendota.

Lets go get that T. How about if I meet you there at sun up tomorrow morning? I'll stay on top while you do the diving..... Sounds good to me!

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 05:31 pm:

I cant swim,but I would love to be involved in a restoration of something like that.Just to help prove it could be done.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 06:00 pm:

Keith, Damm you sure called my bluff! I kinda wanted to be the guy on top. The waters to cold for me. Wonder if we could just go fishing with a really big hook, but what should we use as bait?? Chev. parts?.....If I had the means and the time I would love to be there at sun up. that's my kind of adventure


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Gruber- Spanaway, Wash. on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 07:12 pm:

That would be a good car for the Museum.
It would be a great story also.
C'mon Conrad...jump on a plane...you could make it by tomorrow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Stinchcomb on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 07:27 pm:

I'm ready! Let's git er done.

Ready

Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 07:49 pm:

BOB, would that be in your plane? I'm game if you are. I was thinking we should bring some dry coils and maybe a few extra tubes, what are the chances of all four tire still holding air? A battery charger may also be a thought as the battery may be dead. and the last thing we should bring is high hood to fix that hole if the rumors are true.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 08:16 pm:

Most of the cars I have dove on that had been in the water for 40 yrs. where not in to good of shape. Any where there was an air bubble trapped, it finally became a rust hole. The blocks and axles hold up. I pulled a tripower off of a 55 caddy in 40 ft. of water, got 400 for it at Hershey!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Gruber- Spanaway, Wash. on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 08:33 pm:

Mike,
I'm just a spectator sittin' here in my Archie Bunker chair!
Lots of free advice, though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

I've got a hundred bucks to put down towards the raising of the T. Who's with ME!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 12:30 am:

I would guess that some air bags and straps would float it to the surface, then you'd need to get it to shore, or at least shallower waters.
Neat project!
DAvid D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Atchinson on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 10:02 am:

step 1) dive down to it

step 2) remove silt around the car

step 3) remove seat and check if there's gas in the tank

step 4) Crank her over and drive her out!

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 10:13 am:

Matthew, Don't forget to check for water in the radiator and air in the tires :-). Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Mower on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 07:07 am:

Any new status ?? Looks like a challenging but fun project, to bring up and restore.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike dixon on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 07:19 am:

the car is gone, i already went and got it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 09:36 am:

Dang it,I left space open in the shop in case they drug it out and didnt want it!

I would love to git my hands on that.It would be another 1 of those,"what are you going to do with that Da-- thing?"

"Drive it"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 10:24 am:

Another auto loan someone is underwater on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 01:15 pm:

Really, Mike? Any pictures? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 01:22 pm:

I was surprised how much you can see if you clear up the photo a bit!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 01:36 pm:

My thoughts as well Terry, but your mouse is faster than mine . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sven Jakobsson on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 03:51 pm:

This Scania-Vabis 1928 sank 1936 during ploughing on the ice.
After 50 years 67 meters under the surface, the car was brought up again by “Nord-Värmlands Veterantekniker” (North-Värmlands Veteran Technicians” and they also restored it. Chassis with engine, transmission, tipper equipment, and bed were nearly in working condition, also tires, battery and horn.


I do not guaranty the truth in every detail, but the car is up and running.

http://www.varmland.nu/fordonsmuseum/frykenbilen.htm

Best regards, Sven
Scania-Vabis 1928


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Thum on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 05:58 pm:

We found an aluminum boat in 60 feet of water in Table Rock lake. It was a 1953 Feathercraft that was sunk in 1954, just before numbers were required. When we recovered the boat any steel parts disintegrated the day after we recovered it.

When I find fishing gear I find that if it is down more than 2 weeks it is not worth recovering. When I do recover a rod and reel I leave it in the water till we leave the I take it apart and oil and grease all metal parts immediately. Leaving for just a few hours will caus rust you can almost see growing.

Steven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:05 pm:

I watched a video on youtube that showed a '34 Chevy on the bottom of Leech Lake. There was some pretty severe rot on the fenders. I don't know the depth of Leech Lake but I know a lot of lakes in Minnesota have a point where the water will suddenly become dark and the temperature drops quickly. I believe it's called a thermocline. I guess it's a fact that things that set in cold waters for years maintain a lot of their structural integrity. I wouldn't know if Mendota would have the same thing. It's a little farther south than the lakes I've been in. Back years ago many of the resorts in Northern Minnesota would tow cars out on the ice and then they'd set up a betting board and for a few bucks you'd make bets on the date and time of day when the boat would go thru the ice. The person with the closest date and time would win the pot. I doubt a lot of those cars were taken back out of the lake until the tree huggers started whining about them and I doubt if it's even considered as something to do anymore.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:31 pm:

I would like to see pictures of the 53 Feather Craft.We still have the Feather Craft my grandpal and dad fished out of.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDaniel(Indiana Trucks)Star City In on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:52 pm:

I saw a car sitting on the ice with a chain or rope on it just about a year ago in Mn. when we drove out to see my wifes brother. The car was starting to lean and ice was melting fast the day we saw it so it still gets done to this day with more modern cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 12:00 am:

Bob, I would imagine they're required to take the fluids out of it and anything else that might kill the bullheads in the lake and then the cable is hooked to some stationary winch. That's interesting. I thought they would have outlawed that by now. I wonder if the antifreeze went into the lake when the snow it was drained into melted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Thum on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 12:01 am:

Mack,
I wish I could help you with pictures. The boat was recovered about 2003. I gave it to my dad to restore. He got sick when the boat was half done and passed away. I got the boat but had no interest in the project and sold it.
A funny thing, after being on the bottom for almost 50 years, the flotation foam under the seats had all the consistency and weight of bars of lead. It took a boom on the end of the tractor to lift the foam out of the boat.
The boat was a 15 footer and it took 4 divers, 2 support personnel, 11 tanks of air, and about 8 hour to get it to the surface.
I found a web site with a 55 that looks a lot like the one we recovered. Link is below

http://conductorjonz.wordpress.com/tag/1955-feather-craft-vagabond/

Thanks
Steven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 08:21 am:

That 1 is alot more fancy than this 1.Pops just used a 10 to 20 hp Johnson and you steered it back there.
Wow,i had no idea there was that much work to fixen the thing up.I just thought a good scrubbing and some new seat cushions and plywood at the back and Done.Wrong.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 12:41 pm:

Shucks Change the oil fill the radiator with fresh water new gas start it up GRIN OOh that is after you get it on dry ground


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 03:38 pm:

So what is the progress on this? Anyone went to at least check to see if the tires were any good? Gota be better than the 'nam" made 1's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 06:25 pm:

Who dives and is certified / capable of dry suit / cold water diving? I am but this would be an expensive trip for a simple photo op! Anyone near by interested? I can put you in touch with the diver who took the picture .........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew David Maiers on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 09:31 pm:

this thing is still at the bottom!!!

how far off shore is this thing? how much would it take to get it to the top?

i would think sinking a few 55 gal drums and steel frame to hold it would work maybe??? then fill the tanks with air once there in place?

probably six drums would do? i only wish it was closer to me. quick somone find a sunken T in my area!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 09:44 pm:

Net floatation should be about 8 lbs per gal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew David Maiers on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 09:50 pm:

4 55 gallon drums full of air will lift approx. 1760 lbs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 09:56 pm:

Once on shore,I would be glad to help!
I better stay out of the water.It moves all the time.I have to look out and focus on my surroundings to stay "plumb". If I watch water move I get to swaying with it and then fall over evenutally.
It would be a interesting project.Even if it cant be made to run,it would be interesting to see how much could be salvaged and reused.The car ran when it went in,so it is logical it is complete.

I know there are those reading this that are thinking,"what the heck are those people thinking?Plenty of T's on dry land,let it rest,it is worthless." My response to that and similar questions is that it not allways the item that is the subject of the work,it is the challenge and the education got from the work.Value sometimes takes a back seat to a good challenge.The Hunley was pulled out of water,kept in water and worked over.I aint read the updates lately but that is a good demonstration that it can be done.But yes,the Hunley is priceless,and there are T's for sale for sensable prices.But still,it is the challenge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 10:32 pm:

The logistics of removing this car are extreme. If it was near to me I would dive it with a another diver and get my picture taken holding the MTFCA Logo. Just another Model T photo op!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Thum on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 01:01 am:

If it was near me I would dive it just to see it. I know where I could get the correct lift bags to get the car to the surface. I just do not think that there would be enough value to cover the cost of raising this car.

Steven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 01:12 am:

If I was going to dive on it to get it out I'd pull it out in January when you only have to lift it to the top of the ice. Winches and the right equipment and you'd have it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 07:26 am:

Lift bags will bring an item to within 3 feet of the surface if your lucky. "The right equipment" to lift it out of the water is a long list. This is the most dangerous time of the recovery!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 10:00 am:

I didn't say it was going to be easy or for that matter all that cheap no matter what ya do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 10:12 am:

Is there a website we could go to to read about recoveries of this type?
It would appear to me that you could get it close to the top,and move the floatation devices to the underside to operate like pontoons,then to it to shore.Trust me,this is interesting to me,allthough I cant get under the water or on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Holcomb, Watertown WI on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 10:25 am:

It's only about 25 miles from me, I'd be willing to get some more details on it and assist with trailer, winches, and barrels. I don't dive though.
pm me if anyone wants to go further.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 10:32 am:

As far as value goes a restored 23-25 or at least an older restoration's value would be around $12-15,000.
Practically speaking its best to leave it where it is. But thats only my opinion.
Once its removed from the water and hosed off you might be dissappointed in the condition.
It would be neat to see it out of the water after all these years though.
As far as restoring it you might be able to use 10-15% of whats left to use for parts. And thats a maybe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew David Maiers on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 11:39 am:

you guys are being to smart about this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew David Maiers on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 11:36 pm:

is it up yet?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 04:26 am:

Why worry about using parts? Spray it with wax inside and out, Preserve it as an antique lake find relic and put it on display.


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