Side curtains 1911 touring

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stuart clipson on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 05:15 pm:

anyone have a vintage picture of a 1911 touring with side curtains installed? i got a bundle of curtains with my car as they supposedly are original to the car. i seem to have more pieces than i do car. as always thanks. p.s. had a great visit at the model T museum today.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 06:55 pm:

Stuart-
How about modern pictures with mostly authentic reproduced side curtains?



This incorrect flap hides a zipper. The upper and lower should be continuous.







Email me for more detail pics if you would like them.


: ^ )

-Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stuart clipson on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 08:30 am:

keith ....received all your pics. thanks
am trying to determine how many and where the murphy fasteners go and what style was used on the top bows and body. seems that it will all depend on what the curtain arrangement is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 09:36 am:

Stu-

My car had the hourglass shape fasteners.
Total Murphy Fasteners:

42 single
8 burrs (backing plate for fabric mounted)
6 double
8 eyelets

I'm still counting Anzo fasteners and base configuration....

I'll send you a couple of diagrams after my Camporee weekend with the Boy Scouts.

-Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 09:42 am:

Keith,

Did you find a source for the clips that attach the side curtains to the windshield? I need four of those for my '12.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 09:45 am:

Keith,

Thanks for all the photos. I looked them over last night and instructed my son to get busy. I'm kicking myself for not ordering curtains at the same time that I was doing the upholstery.

Have a good time at the Camporee. One of the guys I work with says his son is getting his Eagle at an upcoming honors council.

Tom M.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 12:35 am:

Tom-
Here is a diagram of fasteners.

The two on each side inside the front bow are not drawn, but included in the tally from above.




Royce-
The windshield clips on the other side curtains are originals that were used on the reproduced side curtains.

Here is a diagram from an old catalog:



If you find any please let me know.

: ^ )

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 12:54 am:

Here is a diagram for the 1911 side curtains.
The two eyelet holes towards the front of the front curtain are attached with the Murphy Fasteners on the inside of the front bows.



However, Kim Dobbins says the Burco fastener was probably not mixed with Murphy Fasteners, nor was it used past 1910.

Does anybody have a pattern for a Windbreak that would fit the front bow and come down the front of the windshield?

: ^ )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 02:50 am:

It looks like there are 5 sets of Anzo fasteners on each side.

Two have screw bases and are screwed into the top bows. Three have fabric bases.

Total of 10 Anzo fasteners:
4 with screw base
6 with fabric bases
10 tops.

: ^ )

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stuart clipson on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 11:01 am:

keith

very well done....many thanks... boy, with everything buttoned up, how ever did they get out?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 11:21 am:

Keith,

I think the side curtains should be in front of the windshield when installed properly. This is a 1913, but the same effect:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 12:22 pm:

Keith,

Thanks for all your help! The diagrams and photos are priceless. Now I have to find someone to make them or show my wife how to work my grandfather's treadle leather sewing machine


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Byron Hight on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 02:34 am:

Keith:
Just got back in town and seen your thread on the "top" for a '10. I also acquired a '10 with a set of curtains, but never could figure how they attached. You mentioned that you had a few more pictures with better detail. What's the chance of acquiring a copy of these other pic's. Every little bit helps, and many thanks for what you've posted so far. There is a little light at the end of my tunnel now...Byron


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 01:17 am:

Royce-
That sure makes sense. Maybe the windshield clips were put on backwards ????

Maybe Ford figured out if the put the side curtain in front of the windshield they don't need to put on the clips ??? Are there clips on the 1913 side curtains?

Does anybody know?

I wonder which way keeps the water out more in front of the windshield or behind?

Byron-
Send me your e-mail and I'll send you the pics.
: ^ )
-Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 06:44 am:

Keith,

Ford did use windshield clips, I understand through about 1916 or so.

The original side curtain clips I've seen on a 1914 touring have the retainer centered in the clip. in other words 90 degrees from the way the ones you have pictured are situated.


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