Cranky spring ?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Cranky spring ?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bede Cordes, New Zealand on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 01:10 am:

Hi everyone,

I'm needing a bit of advice on the two springs that seem to be available for the crank handle... I'm looking at the Langs catalog and spring 3908 seems to be for 09-27, and spring 3909 seems to be for 15-22. Did Henry not use the 3908 type spring between 1915-22 ??? I'm guilty of never really looking too hard at crank springs, but can someone provide any more information for my curiosity ? The only cranks I have are rusty old things so I don't have much to go on...

Regards
Bede


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 01:54 am:

Not that i know what i am talking about but i have 2 springs right now. 1 is small and looks like it goes somewhere on the handle where the other one is bigger, Lighter and goes between the crank handle and the radiator.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bede Cordes, New Zealand on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:27 am:

Kep,

you've jogged my memory... the T's of the 3908 spring era had the bigger handle (the bit you shake hands with and hopefully doesn't go shooting out of your hand in the opposite direction), perhaps the small spring goes inside the handle ? No doubt our friends in the Northern Hemisphere will confirm for us soon.

Regards
Bede


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:44 am:

The 3908 http://www.modeltford.com/item/3908.aspx has the "tang" bent into it which engages with the little hole on the crank. It's funny they don't give an end view of that spring.
I have no clue what the 3909 is all about.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:51 am:

Bebe,
I made a crank spring out of a section of stiff SS wire. Placed one end on the spring hole and just warped it around. Works great and will not rust.
Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 03:18 am:

The 1915-22 cranks has a small spring on the handle pin to keep the handle from rattling. I haven't looked closely on the early cranks with aluminum and hard rubber handles if they have any spring there, but the later 1923-27 handles with a thin crimped on sleeve for a handle doesent need it.
teens handle
Here is an early crank with a newer iron handle - the '15-22 cranks didn't have the nut, I think? The pin was riveted to the handle, so replacing the small 3909 spring would involve a new handle pin to rivet in place.
newer handle
This is a 1923-27 handle that doesen't need a 3909 spring to keep the handle from rattling. Unfortunately nowadays they may need a lot of violent attention to make the rusted solid sleeve to move at all..
spring
and here is the 3908 spring that fits all years except the first '09's. It keeps the handle from getting caught by the crank pin while the engine is running.
When you do some repair in the area, consider making Fast Frank's modification - a hole threaded in the handle, a screw in the crank and a notch filed in the crank sleeve in the pan is all that's needed to keep the handle from dangling just like the earliest '09's could :-)
Frank's cranky viagra
Photos from earlier threads, not mine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bede Cordes, New Zealand on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 04:37 am:

Jim,

thats a good idea. I might have a hunt for some suitable wire...

Roger,

so it looks like the wee spring 3909 goes inside the 15-22 handle ?

I have a pic here of the 3 cranks I have, I'll clean up the far one and use it on my T (with a new spring of course), the middle one the handle is stuck solid, and the nearest one is the 15-22 type... it's handle is stuck solid too, but inside it must be a 3909 ? Looks like you've solved my mystery. Thanks for the good photos and explanation.

cranky

Regards,
Bede


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Harris on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 04:53 am:

Bede,

I can confirm that there is a spring inside the bottom crank handle sleeve. Mine was seized solid so I used heat to free it up. The heat destroyed the spring so now the sleeve slides backwards and forward along the shaft and pinches my hand if I don't hold it exactly right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bede Cordes, New Zealand on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 05:04 am:

Gavin,

so if I ever meet you one day, I go easy when we shake hands ???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Harris on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 05:07 am:

No, I am aware of it and do it correct, just be aware of it when I ask you to start my car.


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