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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 08:54 pm:

The forum is a wonderful and valuable resource for information on Model T's, but sometimes questions are entitled, "Newbie Needs Help" or "Another Stupid Question", which is not very much help for those trying to find information by scrolling the titles.

When posting a question, please list the specific subject of the question somewhere in the title so one will know, at a glance, what the question is about. Thank you. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cameron Whitaker on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

Agreed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 09:12 pm:

Jim, Just what do you mean? I do not seem to share your issue with any posts on the forum. Really!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 09:17 pm:

Good pint Jim!

schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 09:18 pm:

Well a pints always a good thing, but I meant POINT ;o)

schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 09:28 pm:

Fair comment Jim but I don't think the newbies will know to read this before posting their questions...

If you are worried about how to find particular topics in the future do a google word search... i.e. jack rabbit clutch you woudl type into google as follows-its easy

jack rabbit clutch site:mtfca.com


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 09:32 pm:

Good to see the PC police are at work! So hows the home owners association doing?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 10:27 pm:

Thread titles are important not ONLY for getting the help you really need but for search engines as well.
If I was searching for "model t touring top help" and there was a thread here titled "need help" it wouldn't turn up in search engine results.
Everything one might want to ever know COULD be in such a thread.......but nobody will find it...... :-(

Jim made a valuable observation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 11:18 pm:

Hi Craig... why don't you give the gogle search a try-its the best way of searching this forum and does away with the issue you raise :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 11:21 pm:

The threads just above this one right now:

New to the forum! I have a 12v conversion question!

Question about a manual operated ahooga horn

Body Makers, 1912

How far gone is too far gone?

OT Some of you have done this
-----------

They're all good but the last one..

What frustrates me is opening the same threads over again, only because I forgot what it was the last time I opened it..

"Some of you have done this" . . . . DONE WHAT?

Sorry, just making a point.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 11:27 pm:

I'm going back to my knitting


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 11:32 pm:

What would you have me do, Alex: google "Some of you have done this", before I open the thread so as to be reminded of the subject?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Leming on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 11:35 pm:

I love the forum just as it is, I hate formality, and to be honest, more and more I get gun shy about even posting. I think maybe for myself, I will just sit back and read only.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 12:56 am:

Ricks try the search like I said in the above posting and it has nothing to do with the thread name. It searces the threads themselves-I could call a thread "Knitting with Grandma" but if the words jack rabbit clutch are posted anywhere in this thread it will still bring it up.

Many threads go off topic and its a great way for finding stuff even if the thread name would not give any clue to the topic found within.

Hope that makes sense?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Gould on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 08:33 am:

God forbid Jim criticised the saintly practices of this forum. My gripe is that fewer and fewer technical issues are addressed. Its turning into a good old boys club with a good measure of show and tell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Luke Dahlinger on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:10 am:

I have to agree with Richard on the fewer technical issues being posted.

95% of the OT threads being posted here shouldn't be here- along with everything turning political.

It's damn tiring to wade thru all the bullsh*t of OT threads and 3 million Old Photo threads posted each day just to find a 'meat & potatos' thread that has educational value.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Howard D. Dennis on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:31 am:

I swear some on here must just sit and scream at the microwave because it takes so long and you are soooo busy. This is a hobby forum and should be fun not labeled down to the ninth degree. If it don't interest you don't read it!

Howard Dennis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John W. Oder - Houston, Texas on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:36 am:

The owner of the Practical Machinist forum deals with this issue somewhat effectively by locking the thread with the comment - "Closed Due To Meaningless Title" :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Leming on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:46 am:

Here Here Howard! My point exactly - fun!, informal


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:56 am:

Richard
I think you forgot one additional thing...and a place to inappropriately advertise stuff for sale with photos.
Ron the Coilman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 11:23 am:

For those that do not like this forum, you can always go to the MTFCI forum. There are a lot less postings to go through to find something you might like.
Don't forget the Ford Barn, they have some good postings.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 11:34 am:

There is allways Garrets forum to right?
Geez.
I thought this was a meeting place for us model T folks to gather and communicate and have a break from formalitys.
I am sorry Jim for not titleing my threads correctly.
Ricks,I am sorry for ever tieing up bandwidth asking questions of people I feel I can trust their judgement.When I ask the other day what I needed to know to run a underground air line,I got good answers from experianced people that I other wise would not have gotten for example.There are others that could benifit from that info.

I enjoy the old photo post.That intrest me,but I dont have time to gleen thru the millions of photos out there to see the intresting 1's.Apparently someone else does.Thank you.
As for saleing items on here,a simple modification to the classifieds to allow photo posting would take care of that.
Sheesh,I cant get away from all this formality crap no matter where i go.What next,parlimentary procedure to make a motion to make a post?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 12:12 pm:

Some people would bitch if they were hung with a new rope!!!!

I didn't know this forum was only for master mechanics to trade technical data.

Luke All meat and potatoes All the time is BORING!!
Lighten up!

Forum Nazi's are why the lurkers out number the posters here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Billy Rose-Garland Texas on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 12:28 pm:

Jay, that was my Grandpas favorite quote when he had a belly full of folk complaining about the small stuff..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Billy Rose-Garland Texas on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 12:30 pm:

Jay, that was my Grandpas favorite quote when he had a belly full of folk complaining about the small stuff.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 12:40 pm:

I see the advantage of having the technical, meet & greet fun, old pictures & info, and for sale posts.

Sometimes the –over and over again – newbie “how do I start my T“ posts with someone finally copying and pasting the hit list makes me want to cringe but then I remember that I was a newbie once and appreciated the help.
I also remember that when I first logged onto the forum I felt welcome because folks acknowledged my presence, encouraged me to have fun with the T, gave me the confidence to get my hands dirty, and gave me guidance.
(I thank them all for making this fun.)

I sometimes think it would be great to have a section with the basic T info – like a T Wiki with "how to" pictures etc.

I don’t look at the for sale section because it is hard to read and I can't always tell where the parts are.

It is fun to see forum drift especially with some of the comments from the “out-of-work comedians”

Maybe dividing the year into four subsections and adding a basic “how to” section would work – You techies could get your jollies by reading whatever techies read, the meet and great guys could talk about politics, kids, wives, what they did with the T last weekend, and the lawn, the old picture guys could post old pictures and folks could dissect them, and the for sale folks could describe their wares without having to wade thru everyone else’s interest.
Some of us will have to remember to look at each section but that would mean we see fewer new posts every time we log-on to the web site.

The only problem is that some poor sole will have to play policeman and direct traffic.
i.e. Does Jim's post belong in the technical section or the meet and greet?

My bottom line -- I love the forum with all its idiosyncrasies and colorful characters.
A bit more organization would make it easier to read but it might make it stuffy and heartless.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 02:39 pm:

"I sometimes think it would be great to have a section with the basic T info – like a T Wiki with "how to" pictures etc. "

That could be interesting and would get many pages longer as people added new ways of doing things and all the methods they could find.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 02:40 pm:

"Ricks,I am sorry for ever tieing up bandwidth asking questions of people I feel I can trust their judgement.When I ask the other day what I needed to know to run a underground air line,I got good answers from experianced people that I other wise would not have gotten for example.There are others that could benifit from that info."

Mack, I believe you had that thread titled well, so I knew if I wanted to open it. Like Jim, titles like, "Question" are a minor irritation. I usually open it the first time, and if it does not interest me, I have wasted precious little time. If I see it again two days later, I probably don't remember the contents, so I open it again: that's the irritation.

From now on, I won't open threads with non-descriptive titles at all - even Steve Jelf's.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 02:49 pm:

I agree with Jim on this one. When doing a search on the forum when looking up a certain topic it would come up quicker and would give more information.
Think of it this way, if you filed every thing in one folder eventually it would get so full and mixed up it would take forever to find.
The same is when doing a forum search. There are a lot of topics that come up that are in threads that dont have the topic by name.
Sometimes you have to read between the lines to find it.
It would make things a little easier and faster but things dont work that easy.
Have fun and a good day. MHO


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 03:00 pm:

And if Frogs had wings they won't bump their ass on the ground!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 03:03 pm:

I dont usually post off topic threads, but I was offered a 1917 Oldsmobile model 37. It has been my experience that there is a diverse amount of information available out there, and that is why I posted the question here. I have found the people here are nicer and more willing to help than most.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Solak on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 03:07 pm:

A lot of the suggestions here could be solved by migrating to a different forum software, one in which there were different "categories", such as: The Basics, Technical, Tours, Banter, Political Ramblings, For Sale/Wanted etc.

Changing a thread title in other software can be done easily by the original poster or by the administrator (or any users with such privileges as determined by the admin). You can, as others have noted, easily lock threads, move threads to appropriate categories, and even link threads that might touch on multiple categories so that responses can be seen in both.

But of course, all of this is moot because any time the admin makes the least attempt at changing the forum, he'll get a bunch of moaning that it was fine the way it was, I still use a 2400 baud modem, I'll never post here again, and why are these black helicopters hovering over my house again.

In my opinion, though, this forum has grown too large to stay in a single-bucket format. If you leave for a few days or, God forbid, a week, you are simply overwhelmed by the number of headers you have to scan through. It'd be nice to be able to play catch up in only the categories you've got a serious interest in. And the "how do I start my Model T" threads can be made "sticky" and will be right there for newbies to the forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 05:06 pm:

The forum is fine with me. I select topics that look like they are interesting or are a cry for help. If I want to find a particular posting, I use "Search".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Manuel, Lafayette, La. on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 05:58 pm:

I enjoy this forum whether it's off topic, old photos, technical, silliness--whatever. Only the negativity is disappointing to me. Jim's opening remark was offered in the form of constructive criticism and his point is certainly valid. I don't believe he was trying to get anyone riled up. Sometimes I skip a thread based on a quick assessment of the title then read it later and find it quite interesting. I know I'm guilty of using a title which isn't particularly appropriate ("Diminished Ego" for example] but I just can't understand being unkind to other forum members just because you don't like their posts. How difficult can it be to just skip over stuff?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 06:00 pm:

GUILTY!!! GUILTY AS OJ WITH A STEAK KNIFE!! I am a newbie and need help. But let me say as a newbie to this site, there isn't much in the way of knowing these protocols. I'm also a Goldwing Rider and their site it has categories to classify the technical from the chit-chat. This forum really should have the same setup. That way the search for whatever becomes much more condensed and easier to use. Just a newbie defending his ignorance....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Baker on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 06:12 pm:

Don what Goldwing site are you talking about? I ride a 80 Gl1100. Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 06:30 pm:

James, its the Steve Saunders website, it is excellent for all things wing....www.goldwingfacts.com
Check it out, you will be amazed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 09:29 pm:

Jim you started this,

What is it you don't like about the postings here?

Each individual has something to say, maybe not as eloquently as the other, but still very important. I personally like the raw information posted here. I think the information from people like Steve Jelf is just as important as the information posted by Mack Cole, Ron Patterson, Ralph Ricks, Kep NZ and all the others.

This is free speech at it's best as far as I'm concerned.

Start your own darned data base of important stuff you think is important and... Please don't share it with us unwashed masses. - John.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 09:44 pm:

I still don't understand how people have any trouble finding anything on this forum! The google search method will find ANYTHING and is much better than the forum search tool or correctly entitling threads!

Anyone is welcome to pvt message me if they cannot get how the simple and effective google MTFCA forum search works!

As an aside its interesting as you can put in a posters name it brings up every post by that person on the entire forum too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Manuel, Lafayette, La. on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 09:53 pm:

Alex, I just tried that approach and you are right; I had better results than I did using the forum search.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:03 pm:

Ricks,and others,I sorry if I came over a little brash earlyer.
In March I was elected to the board of directors of our local fire department not knowing there was personal issues ongoing and I got put in place during the middle of it.We all got a bomb dropped on us over the holidays and without boreing you with pages of details,basicly The situation as me on edge somewhat.
Again,I am sorry.I will try to refrain from just blabbing out everything that comes to mind.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:07 pm:

If the heading says, "question" I have to maybe waste time and look at it. I waste a lot of time reading posts that don't concern me.
But it would have said, "1911 rear top saddles",
or "best brass polish" I would know enough to just pass over it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 10:50 pm:

I think of this forum as something like a bunch of guys standing around a car show or sitting at a coffee shop just hanging out and talking about what interests them. Who knows what will come up?
The framework of the way the forum operates is the Parliamentary Procedure Mack mentioned.
If you don't like what is going on leave it alone as it will usually go away on it's own.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 - 11:32 pm:

I think Jim's original comment had nothing to do with what anyone posts. I have enjoyed some humorous posts on here and some just relating experiences. No one would want to lose the photos some post here.

His original point was simply that IF you have a technical question you will get a better response with "how do you set a L4 carb float" than with "Newbie has problem"
Those who post valuable technical tips or tutorials will better ensure the community will find that information with a title like "repairing a hole in a carb float" than with "guess what I just did"

It not a matter of restricting posts but preserving those posts with good technical content and insuring they can be found in the future by someone with a similar problem.

just my $.02

Cheers
schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 12:25 am:

schuh,
You are 100% correct. Jim P's original suggestion was just the make the title of new threads descriptive so folks have a clue what it is about. There was never any suggestion to change the content or eliminate any type of free and open discussion of any topic.

I think that it a good suggestion. Not a big deal and easy for everyone to make the forum more user friendly. Really, most everyone is pretty good about it but a few "Meaningless Titles" do pop up occasionally.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 12:52 am:

Bud, I totally agree.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Dysart - SoCal on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 01:50 am:

I think that putting a reasonably descriptive subject on new threads is just being polite. Of course, there are those on this forum that would rather be contrary or obtuse, apparently it's more fun than being polite. We saw this when someone suggested that people add their location to their profile or screen name. Most people complied, some replied with the equivalent of "you can't make me" and others put vague locations like "earth" or "my house" or other places that are hard to find on a map. But that's the nature of the group, my father, who was very active in the local T club back in the 60's was, and still is, the contrary and/or obtuse kind of guy. That quality may not be as endearing as he thinks it is, but he's a good guy and most people like him anyway. I just figure that some of the curmudgeonly folks here are a lot like my dad, it makes it easier for me to let the minor irritations go.

On a similar vein, my wife leaves voice mails, much like the vague subject titles on this board. Messages like " you'll never guess what happened" or "call me, it's important". The worst part is when she doesn't remember the subject by the time I call her back. I've asked her many times to leave more descriptive messages, but it just doesn't seem to sink in. At least her text messages usually mention a general topic. Again, giving a brief reason for the call just seems like good etiquette and improves communication. But I guess that some folks, like my wife, have other priorities.

So I agree with the original poster, post whatever you like, just try to put a reasonable description on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 06:05 am:

Eric, your wife reminds me of this story:

The 80 year old woman and her Dr., who had just given her a clean bill of health, decided to have some fun with her 81 year old husband, so she called him from Dr. office.

"Harry, you old lecher, you got me pregnant!"

"Who's calling?"
------------

When calling on the phone it is rude to ask for a person without identifying yourself first.

If a caller starts off asking for the person they called, my reply depends on my mood:

"Who's calling?"

"Who in hell are you?"

After all, the caller has an expectation of who he will be talking to, while the callee is completely unaware.

I could say I'm sorry for the thread drift, but I'm not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 07:20 am:

LOL! I have been watching this thread with amusement at all the controversy over a simple suggestion. PC Police? For an reasonable suggestion??? To be against this simple solution to what has become an irritation for me and, I suspect many others, who open threads and do quick searches through recent titles, based upon the titles, prior to a keyword search, frankly, baffles me. It is like saying it is okay for a pharmaceutical company to market a bottle of pills labeled with one honestly descriptive word "medicine", instead of, "Tylenol". Tylenol is much more descriptive and since it has fewer words, is less labor intensive and takes up less room to write. So what's the problem with being more accurate in the titling of your threads? It can't be laziness. We've already shown that "Tylenol" has fewer letters... Then what is it that prevents you from being more concise? Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 07:37 am:

Thanks to this forum I am certainly going to have no trouble being a grumpy old man in 50 years time when I am old-this forum is like the young mans Bible on how to grow old and grumpy-it also gives me a prime opportunity to practise those skills :-) thanks guys!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 10:21 am:

Guys,

It's just a forum. I see no harm in making a suggestion that might make things easier for folks, but on the other hand, let's not chastise those that fail to go along. I kinda like seeing people's location in their name at the top of a post, but when it comes up from time to time, there are those that are adamant that everyone comply. If some don't want to comply, I say leave 'em alone. Then there's the spelling thing. It is no doubt easier to read a post when things are spelled and punctuated correctly. It just flows better. But if you refuse to spell correctly, I don't think you need to be taken to task for it, but you also need to know that if someone can't understand what you mean, you may not get the answer you desire. Same with this title thing. It's not a bad idea, but it won't bother me if some refuse to go along. I have bigger problems in life than to worry about what someone else refuses to do on the Model T forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Leming on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 10:30 am:

simply because this place is informal and we dont have to be so consise Jim - its our forum - all of us, not just yours! - I think I speak for alot of the posts here, so dont stike out at me now like usually happens! - let it go!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 10:53 am:

I'll repeat my bottom line-

I love the forum with all its idiosyncrasies and colorful characters.
A bit more organization would make it easier to read but it might make it stuffy and heartless.

As for training Alex to be a grumpy old man - You better listen to us when you can still hear!
Otherwise you'll have to learn the hard way! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 12:57 pm:

Ralph - You reminded me of one of my favorite tactics when I still had 4 teen age boys living at home.

On the rare occasions when I would answer the phone, and some kid would say (ONLY),......"Is Tom there?"

I'd reply with one word,......"yes" and hang up. Really not sure if they ever "got" my message or not.

And nowadays, any form of phone etiquette has gone from bad to worse!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 01:05 pm:

Jim,

Some people are just better writers/titlers than others. There are also those who can't verbalize their ideas very well either but are better on a keyboard. I don't believe anyone who wants information will, at the same time, try to camouflage their question. Some are just better at asking is all. It's just another example of the differences in us all and probably will never change until we're all formed in the same mold. I hope that never happens.

Another example of the variability in humans are the posts here that are defensive, as if they were being personally targeted, which I don't believe you did, and those that have gone to the trouble of drifting your post into other areas, seemingly to create and perpetuate further discord. Yes, it's free speech, as are my comments here.

Jim meant no slight on any of us. He was hoping to make the forum better for us all. Take a deep breath and have fun guys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 01:28 pm:

Thanks Jerry. No slight taken and no slight meant. I respect everyone who posts on this forum and consider each and everyone here a closer friend than most people I have personal contact with everyday. I have pretty thick skin so don't get my feelings hurt very often and certainly not for something as trivial as titling a forum thread. I just thought it would be a helpful suggestion, but if I am wrong or inadvertently targeted anyone or hurt any feelings, please accept my apology. Hurting feelings is the last thing I want to do. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 01:48 pm:

Jim,
Well, your posting title ed'cated me--I thought "entitling" was to give someone rights to something--but before I posted that, I checked the dictionary, and sure 'nuf, it is also "to give a title to." (Hmm, that's ended in a preposition. . .)
Hmm, new word meaning for the day!!
See, thread drift ain't all bad!
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 02:36 pm:

Thanks David. Jeez. No wonder there was such an uproar if ya'll thought I was suggesting that you had to get legal title to question before you could post. I'd have raise holy H--- too! LOL! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert E. (Bob) Blackbourn, Gautier Ms. on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 03:12 pm:

Jim,
I'm with you.
I also try be be specific so I can find my own post later! :-)

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 04:12 pm:

OK I get it! :-)

I'm entitled to be a grumpy old man because I earned it with many years of hard work and learning from the older men.

My time has come and I will be grumpy, opinionated and a pain in someone's tush if I want to.

Please don't tell my wife - she won't let me be opinionated or grumpy and she already knows I'm a pain. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 11:53 pm:

Im just happy that my first forum post was listed above as one of the ones that was "okay" :-)


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