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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Closed Car Price
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 11:23 am:

As many of you may or may not know, I've opened a business to help make money so that I can buy a Model T Ford.

However, I've decided that probably the best way to go is a Closed Car, so if it does rain all of a sudden we don't get rained on and don't have to worry about tops, etc.

Here's my question: What is the cheapest closed car? I'd like one from the black-radiator era and possibly one with electric starter so I don't have to worry about cranking. About how much will I need to save up to get a Closed Car with a Electric Starter and already runs great?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 11:38 am:

Here are four recent auctions of running Model T's at ebay where the cars were sold:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1926-Model-T-Ford-Doctor-s-Coupe-5-Window-Coupe-/ 200758564639 1926 coupe in Idaho $5,200
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1923-Ford-Model-T-Roadster-Pickup-/280879048370 1923 roadster pickup in Missouri $3,990
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1926-FORD-MODEL-T-HUCKSTER-/200760228775 1926 huckster in Massachusetts $4,500

Good luck with your business :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 11:41 am:

Missed #4 - a 1926 TT in Georgia $6,000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1923-model-TT-ford-truck-sale-/190681608240


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Manuel, Lafayette, La. on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 11:52 am:

Don't forget all of the incidental costs like going to pick it up or having it delivered, taxes, insurance etc. You probably need to save up a thousand or so beyond the actual purchase price. Also, keep in mind that the hunt can be a lot of fun---don't feel that the first thing that comes along is absolutely THE one. There are lots of T's for sale and there may be even more as the older collectors start dropping off. Good luck!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 11:59 am:

John, I know.

When the time comes, we think we're going to buy a Touring but I changed my mind to a Closed Car.

We will of course set off a couple hundreds to about a thousand or two thousand for getting it here, taxes, insurance, registration, etc.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 12:05 pm:

And spares - the cheapest running T's will inevitably need some upgrades - if not right now, then rather soon. I didn't look long enough at the huckster auction - even if there wasn't any reserve, the sale apparently didn't happen - it's been relisted: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190683737854


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 02:34 pm:

Of course I'm kind of biased but I'd consider a 26-27 Tudor Sedan. Why an 'improved car' Tudor?
The Coupes and the Tudor's have an (almost) all metal body, the 4 door still has a lot of wood in the body to potentially replace. The Coupe will only hold 3 people, the Tudor will hold 5. The engines typically have the 'EE' crankshaft (the strongest one). The mid 26 and above have the engine number stamped on the frame, so you can change engines without getting into 'title' problems. The door windows and the quarter windows all roll down, some of the Coupes only have moving door windows. The Tudor's aren't as generally desirable as the Coupes, 4 doors and the open cars, so they can be had cheaper. The 27 Tudor's have wire wheels, less wood to have to rebuild. And finally, once you end up with one Model T, other's seem to show up on your doorstep, kind of like orphan cats.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 02:51 pm:

Garrett, check out the T's for sale in the Vintage Ford. Its the magazine for the MTFCA. You may already get it.
I have noticed some pretty good deals price wise for running decent cars.
I thought so anyway. Since they are advertised its probably who answers the add fast enough that get the cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 04:48 pm:

Hey Garrett,

Call me crazy but I think hand cranking can be fun!! Start as aback up is good for traffic but honestly cranking is all part of the fun :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 07:21 pm:

Dennis, I'll think about getting a 27 Tudor when the time comes.

Right now, I haven't had one sale on my business, even though it opened Monday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, May 30, 2012 - 07:35 pm:

Garrett.....I JUST made a deal on a late '27 Tudor survivor for $4250.
I'll have to recover the top but the underside is good.
It's a driver and will stay a driver.
Some slip covers for the seats and should be good to go....... :-)

27_Tudor


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 01:22 am:

Craig A,
NICE! Looks like a really good catch.

Dennis H,
Have you ever tried to put three adults in a coupe? Personally, I have always liked the look of a coupe. I guess others agree with me. Tudors are often a bit cheaper.

Garrett,
Goals are good. But you have some time to think on it yet. I also would recommend the '26-'27 Tudor. Best of all T worlds (Except for Horseless Carriage). You still have two parents. It would be best if you could all ride comfortably together.
Good luck with your small enterprise.

Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 10:30 am:

I've decided that I would not like a '26 or '27.

Yes, I'm biased when it comes to the Model Years. I personally prefer the Black Radiator (1917-1925) and Brass Radiator (1909-1916) Model T's. What would really please me is a Black Radiator Closed Car. I'm just not a huge fan of the Nickel-Radiator style ones.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 11:05 am:

The cheaper 1926-27 Model Ts came with a black radiator shell. I know, for I owned a 1927 roadster that came with wood spoke wheels and a black radiator shell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard Paulsen, San Buenaventura, Calif on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 11:54 am:

Is there a difference in leg space, meaning is the (front) seat mounted in the same position in the Coupe and the Tudor or is there more room in the Tudor than in the Coupe? The way my uneducated eye perceives it, the distance from the starter button to the front edge of the seat is always the same . . . asks the guy who is 6'6" tall . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike peterson on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 12:23 pm:

a rattle can will work on a nickle radiator to change it to black, but in a tudor its easy to move the seat back


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 12:49 pm:

Mike, call me stupid but what is a "Rattle Can"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 12:56 pm:

Rattle can -

Can - a metal container

Rattle the sound that is made when you shake a can with something in it.

If the thing inside the can is stuck to the bottom due to paint - you have to shake real hard to make it rattle! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 01:24 pm:

I still don't get it. How does a can that rattles help make the Radiator turn black?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 01:39 pm:

Referring to spray paint in a can Garrett.
Us old folks call then rattle cans, spray bombs, And a host of other things when they don't spray right or clog up and quit spraying period.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 01:40 pm:

Garrett, a rattle can is a can of spray paint.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 02:15 pm:

Each to their own. My suggestion of a 26-27 Tudor is based a lot on the fact that my 27 is the only T I've owned. I think the seat in a Coupe is stationary. There are 'ways' to move the folding seats back in a Tudor but the total gain is only a couple inches. Craig, that must be a pretty early 27 Tudor, it has wooden wheels on it. If you post the engine number, there are guys here who can tell you what day/month it was made on.
Wayne, I've never tried to squeeze 3 people in a Coupe, I've never even been in one myself. Naturally since the Tudor only has 2 folding seats up front, putting 3 up front isn't an option. I just figured since I have stuffed 3 adults in the rear seat of a Tudor, it would be possible to put 3 in a coupe as well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 02:25 pm:

Steve and Stephen, I get it now. When you shake a spray paint can it rattles.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Kennedy on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 02:53 pm:

Garrett; I can not stress this point enough to you. When the time is right for you to purchase your first car, it shouldn't be a Model T. The reality is that you need a dependable daily driver car that you can go places in without the need for the maintenance that is inherent with ANY old car.

After you have dependable daily transportation,, then the second point I need to stress is to have an experienced T'er or two go with you to inspect your potential purchase. Do not allow your self to become emotionally involved with the prospective T. If there are any issues with it or the sale or even if you get a bad vibe from the seller, pass!!! The right T will come by some day and it may take a few months or years, but bide your time!!!. I speak from first hand experience on all of what I bring to your attention.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 03:27 pm:

Paul, I'll be honest.

I can't make $40,000 of my job. I can't handle monthly payments on a $16,000 car that won't last five years without being in the shop five times.

I'm not saying Model T's are dependable, as they are way from dependable. However, Model T's are the "cheapest" used cars out there. They're cheaper than a running used car.

Honestly, I feel that Model T's are just like any other car. If I take care of my Model T, it will be dependable. It's one of those "input and output" things I guess.

A Mustang from the 60's, something I'm sure my dad would love to have, could be just as dependable, or even less dependable as a Model T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 03:34 pm:

Paul, I'm not trying to go against what you say or argue.

If you visit the FordBarn and view their homepage and go back a little bit, you will learn that someone drove their Model "A" Ford for 1 year. Why can't I do the same with a Model T?

I can't make $40,000 off this job to own a used or new car (might as well as get a new car because a used car will be just as much) and a Model T. Plus making monthly payments would be a hassle plus another worry.

One of the reasons I want a Closed Car is that I can drive the car rain, sleet, snow. I know that people are going to say that it's not a good idea, but for the little money I'm going to make off this business (haven't even had 1 sale yet), every cent counts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 04:58 pm:

There are a lot more choices other than a $16,000 vehicle and a model T.

A model T is a horseless carriage not an antique automobile. I used a Model A (antique automobile that drives like a car) to get to high school when I was modifying my regular car. I would never have considered taking the T. It was not practical. It is not a car. It only goes 25 mph and is not dependable or safe.

My dad let me take the T to football games etc because I knew about cars and could drive a race car when I was 16, but I was warned to be careful. On the other hand my brother was mechanically challenged and was not allowed to drive the T until he was in his twenties.

Garrett – you need to listen to what these guys say - Paul is absolutely 100% correct! Spend the $2-5,000 on something simple, modern and reliable. Then get some hands on experience with a modern vehicle before thinking about a T. A T is not for the inexperienced person.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 05:18 pm:

Like I said, I can't toss my money around because every cent counts with this.

It's either a Model T, Model A, or a Modern Car that's probably made in Dungzong, China


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 05:25 pm:

Aw heck. Let the boy dream. It ain't like he's gonna go out and buy one tomorrow. By the time he's old enough to get a car, he'll be older and wiser and better able to make a decision like this. And if he does make the wrong choice....Well, there's a lesson in that too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 05:26 pm:

Garret, I'm 29 so I'm somewhere between your age and most of the guys here, but there's definitely some wisdom being shared here. There's also some merits to having a constructive hobby at your age as well.

I bought my T when I was 17... it was my 3rd car after 2 '69 Chevelles (still have all 3). Those cars kept me out of a lot of trouble while I was focused on the goals associated with working on them, and requiring the help of Dad to do so.

Model T's are a lot of fun, but they're also very impractical, and a lot of work and expense to keep roadworthy. You will need a 2nd vehicle. It's not the 20s anymore, so you can't take it to the local mechanic or stop by the Ford dealer for parts. Minor jobs can take 2-3 days while you wait for parts.

You don't need a $16,000 car. I drive a '99 Oldsmobile every day, which I spent a total of $1500 on. It hasn't required anything more than maintenance (oil changes and a brake job) since I bought it a year and 20,000miles ago.

Good luck with your goal, but be realistic about it too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 05:31 pm:

Well, our garage only has a spot for 1 car... so I guess it's going to be a modern car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 05:36 pm:

http://www.fordbarn.com/2011/10/13/the-last-365-days-of-a/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 05:58 pm:

I was 11 when I decided that someday I wanted a Model T. When I turned 29, I became the owner of the one in my profile. It didn't look that way when I got it, but after 15 years, it's what I have now. Now I am almost 45 years old, and my T has only been drivable since 2009. I took possession of it January 1, 1997.

Not wanting to come across mean spirited, but you need to focus on school, the occasional odd-job, maybe a paper route. And when you become financially able to maintain a Model T (they do and will break down), then you can start managing your resources to obtain your dream car. For instance, one item can break in the transmission. That part might be 500 bucks to get another one. Other collateral damage may have been done. Unless you are a gifted genius and know how to work on a Model T having never done so, you are going to have to pay someone to fix it. THAT isn't cheap. No one is going to fix your car for free.

We are here to help and guide you and give you wise, sound advice which you should heed. If you choose not to listen and not take the advice of those who know what's what, you'll wind up learning a very expensive lesson.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:01 pm:

William, any car can break down.

I don't like the idea of having a car made anything after 1990. I'm not trying to be picky, but anymore if the car isn't made in China than over half the parts are made in China.

Modern Car's break down, often. I have a friend who has a Chevy that isn't two or three years old that has a broken speedometer and has been in the shop many times.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:29 pm:

Nevermind. Now I'm not really interested in Model T's. Maybe sometime later in life, probably when I'm something like 40 years old.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:35 pm:

From what I've seen, reliability has dramatically improved over the years. My new 70 Camaro needed a valve job by 70,000 miles. My 70 Ford PU needed to be rebored at 60,000. My 76 Datsun 280Z was running great at 130,000 with the only non routine maintenance being some half shaft universal joints. My 86 Prelude was running great at 160,000 with only a clutch (at 130K) and alternator replaced. Our 98 Accord was running great with 120,000 when totaled by a texting driver. My 91 S-10 PU had 160,000 and ran fine with just a clutch and rear wheel bearing at about 120K. All got pretty regular routine maintenance but most done by me and not everything that the manufacturer recommended. My cars from the 50's and 60's all needed far more frequent and serious service. I'd take the recently built cars over any of the earlier ones for reliability and long life. My biggest complaint is that I don't have the skills or test equipment to work on the newest stuff (well that and I don't spring up off a concrete floor as fast as I used to). If I didn't enjoy working on my cars, I wouldn't own a Model T. It isn't whether or not it will have a problem but what and when. Do I worry about driving the cars? Not in the least but I know a Model T will leave me stranded again some day. For that I have friends, AAA, a fairly flexible schedule and most days a decent sense of humor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:36 pm:

That's quite an abrupt switch.........what triggered that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:41 pm:

Craig, I guess Model T's are too slow and not roadworthy, and are expensive to fix. I guess from some of the post an ATV would make a better vehicle than them and a Model T is an "horseless carriage" and not an "automobile"

So confusing, and I thought the automobile was the exact same as an horseless carriage.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:42 pm:

Craig,

I think it's called being 13 and having older folks tell you that your great idea may not be practical.

Garrett,

Dreams and plans are great things but life sometimes beats us around a bit and requires some flexibility. I hope you have the opportunity some day to get your own Model T.

Walt


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:45 pm:

Why does everyone on here think I'm stupid?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:49 pm:

Dennis.....the Tudor is #14596735 built in December of '26.
I like the wood wheels.....they look old....... :-)

Garrett.......you have a LOT of time ahead of you.
Yes T's have their eccentricities like everything else mechanical.
I've worked on engines and whatnot for most of my life and at age 60 still run into head scratchers.
At least with a T there are only so many, and well documented, things that can go wrong.
You can't buy ANY other car for which parts AND help are so readily available....... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:56 pm:

Garrett - Not stupid at all. In fact your seem rather bright to me but most of us have had years of experience and time to mature and that filters our thoughts and ambitions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:57 pm:

Craig -- Walt. :-). Sometimes the wind blows from the east - sometimes the wind blows from the west

Garret. - Think about it. What is the difference between a car and a horseless carriage?
Use this as an opportunity to learn.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 06:58 pm:

Then why does everyone on here think I'm INMATURE?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:02 pm:

Then why does everyone on here think I'm INMATURE?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:06 pm:

Fred- I guess I'm being mistaken or I'm blind but I've never seen horses attached to automobiles.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Gauthier on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:16 pm:

In the words of Yogi Berra, "I think I'm having deja vu all over again!"

Jason


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDaniel(Indiana Trucks)Star City In on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:21 pm:

Garrett,

I own both 60's Mustangs and model T's and can tell you that yes both cars can and will break down but the 60's Mustangs parts can be found at NAPA and if I can't fix it myself, I know anyone that works on cars can. A model T is different because most people don't know how to even drive one let alone fix it. You buy what you want and drive it but these guys are right about the T not being a good car to drive for everyday. I drove my 26 for almost a year when I first got it but only within about a 25 mile range from home and put about 3000 miles on it. Winter was the hard part because it will not start when its below 30 and at 7 deg. one day I had to see if it would start. I had to jack the car up just to turn the crank because the starter would not spin it over and after working on it for almost an hour it did start with the hand crank. I then drove it to town to get a cup of coffee and hit a patch of ice on the road. The rear end tried to pass me up and top speed was about 10 MPH after that. I had also thought a model T could be driven anytime or place but now I know better. I now know that the more I drive the car, the more I will need to work on it to fix something. Right now its the rear end and valves, next time it may be the transmission or coils. I have worked on almost everything on the car in the past 3 years and am starting to fix things again that I worked on before.

Get yourself a model T to play with and drive when you can. Get a newer car to drive when you need to go someplace on time, like to work or school and use the modern car to save the wear on the model T when you need to just get there. The T will last you a lifetime that way.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Luke Dahlinger on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:23 pm:

Garrett-

First let me say this- You're whining and not listening to what's being told to you by people with years of experience in not only the hobby but life in general. No one said you are immature but your'e acting like it right now.

My point of view- I drive a Model A Ford and a 1956 Ford Sedan as my daily cars. I don't have a modern car. Granted the '56 gets more use than the A, but I have no issue getting in the A and driving it out of state.

I do have the skill and experience to repair any of my cars, something that comes by actually doing the work and studying all you can about the mechanical side of things. Therefore I don't worry about breaking down somewhere. As long as you do proper preventive maintenance you can prevent ALOT of roadside mechanical problems.

The guys that said a Model T is not practical for daily use are spot on. They're great for tooling along a country road or a trip to the ice cream store, but by & large Modern Times has passed the Model T- which is what adds to their charm. There's times I cringe in heavy traffic driving the '56, I can't imagine being stuck in stop & go traffic on a busy 6 lane road with a Model T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Gauthier on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:24 pm:

Horse-drawn car


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:29 pm:

Here's the solution to my problem:

Get the money from the business and get a Ford Model A. Problem solved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Luke Dahlinger on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:38 pm:

Garrett-

Do some research before jumping into any of this. My use of a Model A as a daily car is not implying that I suggest others do the same. I eat my steaks rare, but I'm not suggesting others eat their steak the same way. You see what I'm getting at?

I do what works for me and know what the limitations of the car are. You do not. What I do may not work well for you, which I suspect will be the case as you're not wanting to investigate the pros and cons of such an endeavor and by not listening to the folks here that have given you most excellent advice.

Nothing(not even this forum) can replace lessons learned first hand.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:42 pm:

Luke, when I do get a car it's not like I'm going to drive it 100 miles every day.

A Model A would probably fix my problem. However I'd have to spend just as much money as I would on a modern car, but without the cheapness of a modern car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:42 pm:

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 07:51 pm:

Since the people on here don't want me to have a Model T since I'm going to drive it about 20 miles (not even that mostly) per day and not worried about driving 100 miles per hour like some of the teenagers on my street, I'm going to get a Model A.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Kennedy on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 08:34 pm:

Garrett, I am 53. I have five children ranging from 14 to 31.I i have had more cars than I care to admit to. I also know first hand the downsides of driving a T as a daily driver. All I have to do is look at my youngest son who is 18 and is trying to use a T as a DD He started the overhaul four years ago It isn't working out as well as he hoped.

From what I read from the postings, all here are giving you good quality sound advice. Why? Because we want you to succeed in your endevours. Certainly no one here is telling you NOT to pursue your dreams, especially me. If you listen with your mind to what others have said to you, we are trying to save you major heart ache, A LOT of MONEY and nothing more.

Two years ago I purchased an 89 Mustang 5.0 Converteble for
$500. I paid it over two months so I would not detract from paying other, more important bills. I spent $1,400 to have the AOD transmission rebuilt. The next day I was driving it from California to New York to work. When I got back home to California, nine months later, I put over 33,000 miles. On the way back, I developed valve body issues. I nursed it home and parked the car. Two months later I got called yet again for a job in NY and rolled east again on a hail Mary. So for a five hundred dollar car I made two round coast to coast trips. I am putting the Mustang back on the road very soon because two weeks ago the engine in our Volvo failed. The next week our 2000 Expedition just lost its transfer case and rear differential. That leaves us with three drivers and one modern car, my wife's two seater Mazda and Alex's T. The point I am trying to make is you don't need to spend bucks on a daily driver. Something with a windshield defroster and maybe some seats, and you can get parts to fix it. Put the key in and may be able to drive anywhere anytime. It's not like with a T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 08:36 pm:

We, the collective people of the MTFCA forum, have not said in any way, shape, or form that we don't want you to have a Model T.

By all means: have one, have two, have a hundred. You are not listening to anything. And this conversation proves it.

I drive a modest 360 miles each month, and that's to work and back. Of course I drive way more than that, but that 360 is ONLY back and forth to work.

Now as far as prices of Model T's, they vary....you can have one that runs and drives for 4800 bucks or you can have a 1909 Touring for upwards of 100 grand.

Maintenance of a Model T or Model A will be more expensive in the LONG run, than any expense you will ever have on a modern car.

A Model A will do 65 miles an hour....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 08:46 pm:

William, I don't care how fast the car goes. Now if it was the teenager up the street that owns a hot rod, the 20 miles per hour would care.

William, I have been listening. I'm not saying Model T's won't break down and aren't expensive to fix. Any car, any machine for that matter, is pretty expensive to upkeep.

Modern Car's are not as good as you think. Many of them are made in China, and if they are made in the USA more than 70% of the parts in them are made in China.

As for the upkeep: I can always LEARN. I don't own a pea-sized brain that is blocked off from the world making me learning disabled. I can learn quite well, so if I don't know how to fix a carburetor now, I will using books and this website and various other sources. I thought that's one of the reasons this website was here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 09:02 pm:

"Modern Car's are not as good as you think"

Here again, I don't believe in mind readers, so you cannot possibly know what I think....

I owned at one time, a Ford Festiva, a 1989 model. Made by Kia Motors in South Korea. The car NEVER broke down, period. Not even so much as to put in headlights.

I'm going to help you...take a look at this web page...disregarding the catalog, and look at the first 6 books on the list. They will be a goldmine to your learning.

http://www.modeltford.com/model-t-parts/books/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 09:03 pm:

Oh, and even though I like the sound of my name and seeing it in print, it's not necessary to call me by my name each time you respond to me. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Kennedy on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 09:33 pm:

Not as good? Maybe not the "charm" but light years better. Our 2000 Expedition is just shy of a quarter million miles since we purchased new. And that was just nothing more than routine maintenance. My 89 Stang with 230HP will run all day and all night through the southwest in air conditioned comfort (should I choose) at 75 MPH all day and all night and get 21MPG. I know because I have done it. I have pulled one hundred thousand mile modern engines apart and there was virtually no cylinder bore wear. Try getting that out if any ore-1980 car.
Now, without sounding harsh, disengage your typing fingers and re-read what we are telling you without emotion but with sound logic. There is a wealth of information being made available to you, however you need to be very conscious of how you respond. That is the cost to you for the education you get from this board. Nothing is free. You are not quite an apprentice yet and depending how you respond, your masters may decide not to invest their time in your education and that would be a great loss for you. There is a life lesson here and hopefully you will be wise enough to see that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Whaley, Georgetown Ontario Canada on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 09:36 pm:

Garrett - all the advice that I have read so far has been spot on.

You want a Model T - I get that. But you need to take some time and think about it.

Lets put this scenario in mix: you get a job offer, but it is 50 miles away. You have a model T and need to use it to get back and forth to work every day. Sure, if it is in really good running condition, etc. I wouldn't hesitate to take it a couple of times, but EVERY day for the foreseeable future? That's about 5 hours of travel time every day, more when you get debris in the fuel line and it quits, or you have a flat, or the coil box gets wet in the rain.....I'll bet dollars to donuts that almost every member of this board can tell you a story about roadside repairs on their T. That is all part of the fun when owning a T. But it is only fun if you have a regular mode of transportation other than your T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 09:51 pm:

When I was a kid, my friend down the road had a pet raccoon. No matter how nice he was to it, it would bite him. Because it was a raccoon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 10:02 pm:

HI Garrett,
I've read through this thread, and thought back to my grade school through high school years. Beginning in 8th grade I started to put back together a Model A Sport Coupe that my brothers took apart for a restoration, and then left for college. I didn't finish the car until a few years after high school, but I did drive it to my High School graduation (in primer, no top and blankets over the original upholstery). While I did drive it around a lot, there was always my parents everyday car for back up. I lived in a very small town, so not many places to drive to! I went to the local Junior college for a few years, so could keep on working on the A, and I bought a '39 Chevy (yoicks!!)sport sedan that I found in a guy's backyard that I fixed up for my "go to college" driver (even rebuilt the engine in college when it developed a rod knock.)
So, my experience tells me you COULD have a T to drive around town, as long as you are prepared for it to break down and need work, or you could get something a bit newer, like a Model A and drive farther than around town (and maybe not break down as often). I disagree with maintenance costs, as other than having bearings poured, I thin part for the A are, in the majority, cheaper than modern car parts (my '04 Toyota Tacoma, the only new car I've ever owned, needs a windshield wiper switch--cost is over $100!).
I think most folks here just want you to go in with your eyes "wide open" and realize that many of us like Ts because we have to work on them a lot. Thinking about it, I think there's a good portion of these folks that own a vehicle with Lucas electrical components (Just to be clear here, Lucas is known as the "Prince of Darkness" and is believed to have invented the short circuit).
I would go to the library and check out some books on early cars, Ts and As and read more about it to become really familiar with them. And if a T isn't right for now, it might be later. If you had a big enough secure place to stash one for later, get it now! :-) (well, that is when you find one and have the dough--boy am I familiar with that problem!
)Me & Ma Green, 1971--goin' tubin'
Me in Ma Green, Summer 1971, goin' tubin' somewhere-I don't remember who's with me!
And, yes, I did eventually finish the car (and I still have it) But I can't quickly find a newer picture than the one below taken on the "set" of Baby Blue Marine. I was away at college and a friend of my parents drove her in the movie.(so that's not me in the picture)
Ma Green in 1975


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 10:20 pm:

David, I can beat your Tacoma. My '05 PT Cruiser needed a replacement water pump. Parts and Labor were $1,087.00


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike dixon on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 10:38 pm:

I think garrett should make his own mistakes, he doesnt want our advice ignore him


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 10:48 pm:

Garrett, Its your dream and you get what you want.I see that you live in a small town and a T will work out for you. You can them buy a newer car as the money comes in. You have to make yourself feel good so if you make a mistake, well its your mistake. I bought what I wanted and you can do the same. The folks here have good hearts and are passing on there ideas to you. Sift thru them, and make it work for you. You have a good head on your shoulders. I will carry you thru. Enjoy the ride thru life, Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Clark-Hamilton, OH on Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 11:50 pm:

Garrett, please name one car sold in America that is made in China.

I have a 1997 Saturn that I paid $250 for. Put in a battery and starter for another $100 and I've driven it thousands of miles. You can find a daily driver car cheap...you just have to know what to look for.

Your cheap daily driver car does not need to be in a garage, save that for the Model T.

Ask questions, listen, learn, evaluate and think about the future. No reason to make decisions now and no reason to throw a temper tantrum.

There is no right answer. Not to what kind of oil to run in your T, or what car to buy first. Life happens. Let it.

I read your web page. I have a few suggestions. I would remove the part about you being 13. That will cost you sales. If you know how to do the job, your age is immaterial. Your attitude and competency are what's important.
Also, remove "and stuff". Make the web page appear more professional. You're not mowing yards or picking up pet poop!
Just a few suggestions. You can use them or ignore them.

Best of luck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:33 am:

Brian's comment about mentioning your age reminds me of a story about Henry Ford. He got his first paying job at age 13 working for a jeweler, repairing watches. He did his work in a back room where the customers wouldn't see a kid that young working on their watches.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:49 am:

Brian makes some good observations.......but there's nothing wrong with mowing yards and picking up poop!
If MORE Americans DID there'd be more Americans with JOBS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 01:04 am:

Garrett

You have a lot of growing up to do and so did I when I was your age. When I look back at things I did or said, I am embarassed. But that is history now, and I can try to make up for it.

All of us older folks have had numerous cars. Some last forever and some eat directly out of our pocketbooks. Such is life.

You sound like you plan on living with your parents for a long time. That won't work. You will find out in a few more years.

IF you are lucky you will find a job close enough to wherever your home is and you can walk to work. Heck, some people up here even walk to work when it is 20 below outside. Not fun, but we do it. Then you can have a Model T or Model A as your primary car.

Just don't give up your dream to own an old car. That day will come.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 03:00 am:

You can drive a T everyday if you do not mind spending a few days fixing it every three months. Actually most modern cars are like that where i live. Modern being 15 years old. But a T is much more fun to work on and real live person can change the head gasket in under an hour. In a modern car headgasket change takes about a week.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 03:34 am:

Garrett,
My advice. You have some time. Take it. Plan, and work, for what you want. I didn't buy a modern car (a then 15 year old VW) until I was 24. I drove a '29 REO to high school some. Mostly I rode a bicycle. I drove a model T speedster to college some. Mostly I rode a bicycle (over 120 miles per week).
You will probably decide in the future that you need a modern car. But that is a decision for you to make, later.
And there have been a few times that I was very happy to have an antique automobile I could drive. Like when I commuted 70 miles a day for a few days in a 1925 Studebaker because that VW blew it's clutch.
By the way, I would never call you "stupid". I do at times still call me an idiot.
Good luck to you, now, and for many years to come. (I hope you stick around here.)
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Michael Rogers on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 07:29 am:

I was going to stay out of this because Garrett and I have a checkered past but,I have an opinion, we all know where that will get me. As for a modern car, yes most are made in dungheap, China or hang chow, Japan but to get there and back do it. You will find making money at home with no physical work is mostly financially unproductive for years. I drive a Subaru wagon with 280,000 miles on it and so far have never had to do much to it. I bought it for 250$ and drove it home. It is rusty but I don't worry about putting 10 flywheels in it or a complete motor or 5 crankshafts to deliver them to the grinder or a customer. Getting a Model A is as bad or worse than getting a Model T. A engines cost as much as T's and the transmission is the same cost generally, out of the frying pan into the fire. As for being immature, you are. We all were at one time, nobody is born as an adult and even some of the adults I know are still immature. I would appreciate you not taking offense to my post since it is only made to help you understand what you are up against. Wait till GIRLS come along and your first love changes from mechanical to physical. Hormones can be a very difficult thing to overcome. When I was your age I wanted 57 Chevy so bad I started with a couple of bolts and nuts and worked my up to a 57 fordor sedan at 16. This was a 125$ piece of junk but it let me know what it was to own my dream. If you want to know about poor you can google Appalachia in the 50's and 60's to see the poorest area in the nation where I grew up.

I wouldn't have one now, I like Model A' and T's. If you want to know what it is to own a T, I rebuilt mine last year and am installing a new top now 4000$ for the motor and 1000$ for the top and the wood and interior are suspect. It drives and it is mine so I tour with it. I can however, do my own work and save money on every part. Don't give up on your dream, just slow down a bit. You have a lot of living to do before you get serious about a hobby that will consume most of your free time. Owning a T is not just buying one and getting in and driving when you want to. Sometimes even a short trip can be a disaster with a T or an A. I know, I have driven the trouble truck on several tours and hauled in klunkers as well as really nice 50,000$ cars that broke down and the owners didn't even know how to change a spark plug. Take time to learn mechanics on friction cars and bicycles. These will give you a foundation for your future in a Model T.


All this said in good faith and not ment to hurt your feelings but if you are offended by the truth, so be it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Thomas on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 08:46 am:

There is a difference between "advice" and "attention".............


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 09:15 am:

I say again, guys. He's not gonna go out and buy one tomorrow. LET HIM DREAM! Some of you act as if you are desperately trying to keep him from making the biggest mistake of his life. It's one thing to suggest, but harping on the same old crap over and over is not going to convince him any more than it convinces me to crank left handed. When he gets a little older, he can make that decision on his own. We all must make our own decisions. We all must live with the consequences. The most prudent will gather information, then make their decision based on that. Garrett has been given A LOT of information. When it comes time to make his decision, he will probably take it into account. And if he makes the wrong decision, and how many of us have ever done that, it will be a learning experience that will help him make a better one next time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 10:32 am:

Model A, even a GIRL can drive a Model A!!!! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 11:17 am:

Brian, Buick has been made in china for quite some time. GM gave up on Pontiac because of the cost to make them over Buick. And It looks like China is going to own GM very soon. Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 11:23 am:

I think I'll go with a Model T.

Like I said, any car can break down. They all can break down and cost $1,000's to fix. But I'm not looking for a car that will go 100 miles per hour. That's how many kids get killed, because when they turn 16 they suddenly think that a car going 100 miles per hour will make them invincible. False.

Model T's are easier to work on, plus more fun. Their history. So what if I might put more than 1,000 miles on mine or more per year. They can get you from point A to point B like a modern car, but at least unlike a Modern Car they're easier to fix. Modern Car's have everything covered up, meaning there's NO WAY you can even touch it or "your warrant's void."

I will get a Model T. There will be a day after I get my Model T that I'll have enough money to buy a Model A for my "backup car."

Back to the topic: I guess when I do get a Model T it'll be a '27 Tudor Sedan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 11:45 am:

Hap - I'm 67 years old, weigh a bit over 250 pounds, and DREAM about winning the Boston marathon, but am unwilling to get off the couch.

I also DREAM about being a scientist that saves the world from self destruction, but fall asleep on the couch every time I open a textbook.

Are they realistic dreams?
They might be if I had enough motivation to get off the couch, had the ability to think, and was willing to take advice from a fitness coach or teacher.
But I’m an old codger that will not listen to advice from anyone so I’m an unrealistic dreamer without substance and maybe a bit of a Don Quixote de La Mancha. (Madman)

Someone said -- “All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: and the dreamers of the day that refuse to listen to the wise council of men are dangerous men. ”

I read a book that - among other profound comments - said the following two things;
A wise man will hear and increase in learning, and a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel.
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man is he who listens to counsel.

There is a difference between being unrealistic and choosing to ignore to the advice of experience.

George Santayana's words have been restated many ways-
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

But they are true!

Please step aside - I've said too much --
I'm headed for the couch! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 11:47 am:

Garrett - try again.

Horseless Carriage vs Antique Automobile??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:01 pm:

Fred, a Automobile is an Horseless Carriage.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:07 pm:

Garrett

Try again - Think about it!

Why would a T be called a horseless carriage and not an antique automobile?



Consider doing a little web search!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:14 pm:

Why can't you just tell me?

Is it anything to do with the speed?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Austin Baker on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:29 pm:

The scariest part about a model T everyday driver is the brakes don't stop as fast as other cars. Other car go around you cause your going slow then stop to fast in front of you, then where do you go?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:36 pm:

You mean Model T's have brakes?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 12:47 pm:

Hey guys, Garrett lives in a small town with little traffic. He wont be traveling for hours just to get to work. Just like all of us he needs a project of some type to expand his mind. I know everyone is trying to help him up, but it is bruising him. Keep up the good fight in life and you will do just fine. Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 01:02 pm:

Quit teasing the kid.

By definition a "horseless carriage" is an automobile.

"Antique automobile" is subjective. One person's antique automobile may be just another used old car to another person.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 01:20 pm:

I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with a '27 Tudor Sedan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 03:00 pm:

Hey Garrett, Iam working on a 27 Tudor myself. And for the same reasons as you. Warm in the winter and out of the sun in the summer. You can lock your things up also. So keep your eyes open for any type of work so you can save up and when you get a big pile of pennies you will find a car. Keep your chin up, Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 03:37 pm:

Geeeze--
Garrett should be able to figure it out --
most of the answer can be found with a simple internet search.


A Model T is a horseless carriage just look at it - big spokey narrow wheels - almost no brakes - rides like a carriage - wanders all over the road - smells only slightly better than a horse - the strangest transmission ever built - almost no lights and when it does they are on the front - if you want lights in the rear you have to get a match - many of the truck and hack bodies were made by carriage manufacturers


A Model A is more like a modern car than a Model T - it is an old car - antique car -- It has real brakes - a real transmission with a gear shift and a clutch - the brakes work :-) - real lights on the front and rear - factory windshield wipers - the tires are wider - no wooden wheels -


In general vehicles from about 1890 thru 1918 are considered to be Horseless carriages and anything over 45 years old are antique automobiles.
The later T's had enough remnants of the early T's to maintain the horseless carriage distinction.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett - Boonville, MO on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 04:29 pm:

Okay, Fred.

I'm not going to be able to get an "automobile" because of the expensive price. Sure, I'll pull $20,000, if you give me 20 more years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 04:36 pm:

You've all said it all, but it's still not enough...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 05:26 pm:

Hi Garrett,
When you had your first ride in a Model T,wasn't it the best ride in a car that you ever had ? You could gather up parts to assemble a T running gear.The parts are usually inexpensive and it would give you the experience of working on & fixing a T.Later on you could find a body to put on it or sell it & buy a complete car.When I was in grade eleven I purchased a 1934 Chrysler 4 door sedan for $400 and I drove that around in the warmer weather & stored it in the winter,I still have that car.You can purchase a cheap every day car for your transportation when the time comes.I purchased my 1913 Model T touring in 1987 and have enjoyed it more than any of the other horseless carriages or antique cars that I own.
If you decide to build a T from pieces you will probably find that there are T people in your area.Model T people or other owners of horseless or antique cars are some of the best people you will ever meet.They are always willing to help others in the hobby.
So if you want some cheap advice follow your heart and get a T and enjoy it.You will never regret it.
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Aiken, SC on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 06:09 pm:

Aaaarrrggghhh. I already regret this posting but isn't this all moot since none of us has a crystal ball? Who can tell what closed car prices will be whenever the time comes that the OP has the funds.

A more realistic topic title would be >open or closed what are your thoughts<


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 06:34 pm:

Garrett - you are young-there is no rush. Might seem like today is the only day that matters and that it must all happen today but trust me you have many years ahead of you-but that is probably something only age can teach.

I disagree with other folks (doesn't make them wrong and me right of course-just a different perspective) - I think a Model T would make a fine first car for the last years of high school... but make sure you buy wisely - something you can play with, enjoy for a while, tinker and learn on and sell on at no real loss when you do need your modern driver.

My first car was relatively expensive for a 17 year old, drove well, never broke down etc etc. The problem is you don't learn mechanics that way. If I could have my time over again I would have purchased something run down and a project so I could learn the skills earlier in life.

Just always buy wisely, carefully and while it might seem like the end of the world if you don't get the first car you set your hear on others will come up.

Save your money for a couple of years, really listen and learn and then if you still want a T you will know how to buy wisely and what you are looking for.

I would say there is a lot of guys on this forum (hopefully not just me) who if we added up what we spend on this hobby and were level headed and sensible would give it up!!

A hobby is about an interest and a passion not about sensible accounting!

Ps You are more than inteligent but use this time to GROW your knowledge both at SCHOOL and about cars. Just as the 'older' posters on this forum need to remember we are witnessing the generation gap and need to be a bit more patient so do you...remember its hard for guys who have been around for 70+ years to understand the modern 'instant' world so give them a bit of slack-it goes both ways.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 06:36 pm:

Ps Garrett did you try the tests I posted the link to on another one of your threads at the Laings website?
A great way to learn to recognise Model T parts and pit your knowledge against others as it gives you rankings


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