Old photo. Park Ridge ,NJ

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 01:25 am:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197627_241498709294857_1795 815642_n.jpg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 01:26 am:

Is this a T???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 04:03 am:

The radiator and the lack of splash aprons makes me think of a Model R or S Ford modified into a pickup. Hap will know for sure what it was :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 07:27 am:

It is not a T. No T ever had the crank handle through the radiator.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 07:54 am:

William, I should have titled it "Is it a Ford" I agree if it is, it would be pre-T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 07:55 am:

In frustration it might have!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 08:17 am:

It is most definitely a Ford. N R S take your pick, kinda hard for me to tell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Tuesday, June 05, 2012 - 07:16 am:

Roger,

Bottom Line Up Front: Thanks for the vote of confidence and the e-mail pointing me to the thread. Nice colorized photo. As others have pointed out, at this point with the resolution of the photo and that we know the car has been modified I can only agree it is a Model N, R, S, or SR.

Additional details:

Just as Ford made the parts on the Model T compatible with the previous years Model Ts, he also made the parts on the N, R, S, and SR interchangeable. Actually if you take a three year period of Model T production it is a better example. Ford actually used the exact same fenders, attaching brackets, and running boards on both the R Runabout and the S Runabout. And the later 1907 – 1908 N & S Runabout bodies appear to be the same. So when Ford discontinued the R and placed the N body and R Fenders together on the S Runabout [Deluxe] all using the basic same chassis – it can be difficult to tell from a single picture sometimes which is which. And while the N & S had the smaller 28 x 3 wheels [early Model N Runabouts could be purchased with 28 x 2 1/2 but most were ordered with the slightly more expensive 28 x 3 wheels] the Model R Runabout and Model S Roadster both came with 30 x 3 wheels all around. And just like it is easy to put the 1925-1927 balloon tires and wheels on the earlier Model Ts – all the wheels on the 1906-1908 four cylinder cars could fit any of the chassis without any modification.

In this case we know the car was modified but we don’t know how much it was modified.

One of my questions concerns the dash. Is it curved and have a cowl or is it flat? From the colorized photo I am having troubles clearly seeing which way it is. I suspect when the colorized the original photo they accidently changed a straight dash to a curved one on the left side of the car (right side as you look at the car from the front). If it has the curved dash with the cowl – it would have been a 1908 Model S Roadster body.
Photo cropped and the car part posted for research purposes:





But the assuming that the only major parts swap out was the pickup bed, and that the Fenders and running boards are original to the car – it would be a 1907 [a few stragglers sold later] Model R Runabout or 1907 – 1908 Model S Runabout. And if the wheels are the 28 x 3 which the distance to the fenders would lead me to believe – then it would be a 1907-1908 Model S Runabout. BUT – when the made it into a pickup – they could have easily changed out the springs so it could carry a little more weight. And when the car was empty – it would probably have more clearance between the tire and the fender because of that also.

Based on the above – I am leaning towards a Model S Runabout – but again not enough information to firm that up.

I tried to find out more information about the photo, but when I shortened the web address it did not take me to a higher level page. If someone knows where the home page it is located on – please let me know.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Tuesday, June 05, 2012 - 07:59 am:

Hap, I posted this picture and will try to get some more info on it for you. Thanks....Chip


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