Antifreeze in oil

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Antifreeze in oil
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Shonts on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 04:45 pm:

Went to change the oil this spring and found antifreeze came out first - THEN no antifreeze left in radiator! Pulled engine, took the pan off and can see no reason for the loss of that much fluid. I check all fluid levels each time before I start her and she has not been leaking antifreeze. Wouldn't there be some antifreeze left if the Head gasket was the issue? Any ideas of where to look? (it did not leak out on the pans I place under her, nor was there any on the floor).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 05:06 pm:

May be in the ports? a sometimes place to rust through.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 05:51 pm:

Dave Shonts:

Your crack is in the top of the Valve Chamber. The only was I know to fix that is a good shot of Sodium Silicate. You get pure Sodium Silicate from a drug store. Works much better than the phoney stuff in a parts house even though their stop leak stuff has it in it. What ever you do don't use bars leak as it will ALWAYS BLOCK THE BOTTOM ON YOUR RADIATOR. Radiator repair men love bars leak, it makes them a lot money.
Take a look at the post from Steve from Kansas a couple of weeks back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 05:53 pm:

Dave Shonts:

Your crack is in the top of the Valve Chamber. The only was I know to fix that is a good shot of Sodium silicate. You get pure Sodium Silicate from a drug store. Works much better than the phoney stuff in a parts house even though their stop leak stuff has it in it. What ever you do don't use bars leak as it will ALWAYS BLOCK THE BOTTOM ON YOUR RADIATOR. Radiator repair men love bars leak it makes them a lot money.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 08:09 pm:

Sodium Silicate used to be called "Water Glass"... Folks preserved raw eggs in it back in the teens and early 20's. My Dad, born in 1908, swore by it!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 08:29 pm:

It could be a very slow leak aggrivated by the cold weather which makes things contract. If the car was parked for several months the leak drained the system into the crankcase. When you drive the car, whatever coolant leaks is quickly evaporated, and the heat expands metal and the leak diminishes. That leak might be hard to find. If you are lucky, it is a leaky head gasket, if not so lucky, a crack or rusted out spot in the head or block.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 08:31 pm:

Dave, Is the sodium silicate put into the radiator? How much do you put in? How does it work? Is it activated by heat? Will it affect the efficiency of the radiator in an adverse way? Under what name is it sold in drug stores? Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By SSGrant on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 09:15 pm:

Jim,
When I was growing up, we called it Liquid Glass. It is a clear liquid.

Just recently a buddy of mine used some to seal a leak in a Dodge Caravan after the dealer told him it could not be fix.

Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 09:34 pm:

If the engine is a 26-7 they are real common for cracks between 2&3 in the valve chamber, take a mirror and look up you will see the rusted area. Hope this helps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Michael Rogers on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 09:38 pm:

Could be the head gasket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Shonts on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 11:05 pm:

Thank you everyone - late tonight but will try to get the sodium silicate this week. So if I cannot physically see any problems should I pull the head to view or just button it up add fluids (plus the sodium silicate) and it might work? Motor was built in March of 25, many pieces on the car are from a 26 so I will certainly look between the 2 & 3 valve chambers. Last year the exhaust valve on #3 disintegrated (related?), will start the search there, although when I on first look everthing appeared solid.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 11:14 pm:

SSGrant - You "jarred" my memory! When I was growing up, we called it "water glass". Believe it or not, I remember it being used in the making of scenery (a binder for track ballast) in model railroading.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 11:35 pm:

Jim Patrick:

Sodium Silicate will not effect your radiator in any way. I was out in Yuba City California (1,200 miles) when I discovered a bad leak in the side of my block in my Center Door. I was in a service station and just pulled to the side and went next door to a drug store. Fortunately they had a quart in stock. I pored the whole quart into the radiator and went on my way to The State of Washington. I have driven my Center Door at least 25,000 miles since and it has not effected the radiator in any way. I discovered Sodium Silicate from a former radiator man. He told me that old time boiler repair men used to use it when the boilers sprang a leak. I have since used it on a lot of Ts including one with a bad leak in the roof of a valve chamber. By the way I just ask for Sodium Silicate when I go into a Drug Store. If they do not have it in stock they will order a quart for me. I have stopped a lot of leaks in a lot of cars with it, and never had a problem.

SSGrant: You are right it is also called Liquid Glass. I understand women used to use it on eggs. If you look at the contents on the Stop Leak material in a parts house you will find many, many have it in their stop leak.


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