Having trouble removing axle bearing on my TT

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Having trouble removing axle bearing on my TT
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark McWethy on Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 07:44 pm:

Once again it's time for me to tap the wealth of know-how here. I am trying to put in new axle seals on my "26" TT. Right side came apart fine,roller bearing slid right out. The left side however is a different story. I starts to come out but hangs up at the end of the housing. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I get something behind the outter plate(which I assume will destroy the bearing) and attempt to encourage it to come out? The only problem I am having with the axle is a oil leak. Any and all suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks in advance as you guys have always been very helpful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Danuser on Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 09:57 pm:

I'd say the end of the bearing has worn a small groove in the TT bearing sleeve and the bearing is dropped into it, use ahook or wire and lift the end of it up and see if you can pull it on out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark McWethy on Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 10:13 pm:

Is it possible to remove the sleeve with the bearing?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 11:10 pm:

It's probably not possible to remove the sleeve with the bearing still in it. In order to remove the sleeve you must depress the dimple which compresses the sleeve a little for removal. I don't think this can be done with the bearing in place.

Try doing as John suggests and wiggle it around a little as you try to pull it out. Good Luck!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 11:26 pm:

Mark, the sleeve probably has a groove worn into it that the rollers are catching on. You can bend the tip of a small screw driver to make a tool that you can hook the bearing with to pull it out. Whenever I can't get a bearing out I run on the nut and turn the axle while gently pulling on the bearing with my bent screw driver.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 11:52 pm:

Cheaper than bending a screwdriver is bending a piece of welding rod.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark McWethy on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 12:00 am:

It seems that a whole lot of patience and a little luck is what it is going to take. I'll try your suggestions in the morning. I'll stay in touch.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark McWethy on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 11:19 am:

So far no luck,but I haven't given up...
Happy Fathers Day to all


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 11:51 am:

Of course with the ignition OFF, have a helper hand crank the engine with transmission in high. This will turn the axle shaft while you pull on the roller bearing. This will help the roller bearing "walk" up on the ridge of the sleeve and out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Weir on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 01:31 pm:

If you could slip a piece of ).003 shim stock about 2" wide between the bearing and the sleeve, and take a pointy tool between the rollers, you may be able to remove the bearing by rotating and pulling the bearing.

Keep after it !!!

Jim Weir


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Miller, Sequim WA on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 01:57 pm:

I have never tried this but what if you put a strong magnet on the end of the axle shaft that would pull the bearings toward the shaft. Then lift slightly and pull the shaft out.
I'm just thinking out loud...Fred


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Miller, Sequim WA on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 02:00 pm:

Woops, I meant hook and pull the bearing out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 02:28 pm:

Mark,

I sure don't mean to turn a simple job into a complex job, but I just gotta point this out. In my previous response to you I was focused on removing the bearing, however, there is another matter to discuss.

In your initial post you state, "The only problem I am having with the axle is an oil leak." Installing new grease seals is not really the remedy for a TT rear end oil leak at the hub. These outer seals are grease seals intended to contain the bearing grease.

There are also 2 inner seals, one on each side just outboard of the inner bearing set in the housing (not the tube) that contain the rear end oil. When oil is present at the hub it can only mean that the inner seal has failed. I'm not aware of any new neoprene seals to replace these. The only ones I've found are the old felt type. (Perhaps someone else has more recent information on this.)

Replacing the inner seals requires removal and dis-assembly of the rear end housing. It's kind of a pain in the rear (pardon the pun) job, but it's not too difficult because unlike the regular T rear end the TT rear end has no adjustments. Just take it apart, replace the seals, and bolt it back together. Of course you'll need a gasket set in addition to replacement inner seals.

In my experience you should replace these inner seals. As long as they leak they will tend to wash out the outer bearing grease which will eventually lead to the need for a new bearing and/or axle shaft. I know this for a fact as it was what I found in my own TT.

Also note that if you decide to take the rear end apart, the problem of removing the bearing evaporates. You can just unbolt the rear end housing halves and pull it apart with the bearing in place, then fish it out of the sleeve after the axle is out of the way.

Good luck and let us know how things turn out!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark McWethy on Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 05:03 pm:

I have to tell you guys that you were all right. I did get the axle bearing out. After alot of trying and hopeing. I was able to determine that the sleeve on the driver side was not only grooved but had spun. I am assuming that is what started my problem. So anyways I have been able to remove the sleeves and the rest of the felt seals behind them. Thanks for all of the help. I'll look into addressing the other suggested problems.
Mark


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