Oil change

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Oil change
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Patterson (Aust) on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 07:56 pm:

Hi, its time to change the oil again.
This time though I have been wondering about just how much oil remains in the pan dips.
To help remove this old oil, would jacking up the front axle help, or is that just a waste of effort?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 07:59 pm:

Waste of time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnH on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 07:59 pm:

How much oil remains in the dips? It seems like a fair bit when you take the pan cover off, but compared to the four litres or so it isn't actually very much. I leave it in situ and let the new oil dilute it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang ~ Brentwood Bay, BC on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 08:00 pm:

It's not that much oil. Unless your face is right under the inspection pan when you remove it. Then it seems like rather allot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz-Knoxville,TN on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 08:02 pm:

Rob, i just removed the inspection cover on my 24 about one hour ago, i jacked it up about 20" so it's up there, it had about a pint of oil that i wore for a few minutes, this is a 24 with a three dip pan, so you could get most of the oil out.
Slippery Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Patterson (Aust) on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 08:04 pm:

Thanks gents......I wont bother then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colin Comollatti - Queensland, Australia on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 08:34 pm:

Just out of interest, how often would you take the engine pan cover off?

Would the engine pan dips tell you if there maybe up coming problems. Or could you tell it by the oil that you just removed?

New to Model T's and I do not have a running T. Just curiosity, and yes I know it killed the cat ;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Claverie on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 09:46 pm:

I had my T's oil changed at Jiffy Lube the other day, mostly because a couple of the fellows who work there are friends and wanted to see the car up close.

They were telling me that their standard oil change price includes 5 quarts.

So, remembering what someone posted here a while back, I had them put one quart in with the plug still out of the bottom of the transmission. I watched the oil come out, and it turned from black to clear before it stopped.

Then they put the plug in, and put 4 quarts in - then we drained the excess out of the top petcock (their automatic dispenser doesn't know how to do partial quarts).

In line with what someone posted a while back, I think this simple trick flushed much of the old oil out of the dip pans.

And, if you buy the 'cheapie' oil at Wally World or most auto parts stores, it comes in 5 quart bottles for no more than 4 individual quarts.

Just a suggestion.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 09:58 pm:

Peter

You have it, I always buy the 5 quart and pour in a slug with the plug out, after draining the crankcase, that new oil comes out and removes the old in the lower dips.

Then plug up the crankcase drain hole, pour in the rest of the container, and open the upper spout til none pours out in that little stream. All done.


Note how the design of the Ford oil filler pours the oil into the dip tray and then into the crankcase.


And........if you finish the inside of the crankcase with Gyptol....the oil just slides right on out, carrying away any debris or gunk :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 10:54 pm:

For the record I had the pan off of the '25 Fordor today and I was expecting a mess.
I'd added a pint of Mystery Oil to the crankcase when I first got it with the idea of loosening any crap before I changed oil.
Another issue led to removing the pan and it was spotless.
The churning action of the rods apparently keeps the dips, if nothing else, clean.
The drained oil seemed pretty decent too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard Paulsen, San Buenaventura, Calif on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 01:46 am:

I remember the post of a fellow in Germany not too long ago who installed 4 drain plugs in the lowest parts of the pan, thus being able to really drain it all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kohnke Rebabbitting on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 01:51 pm:

Raising the front of the car always works, but you have to do it right!

I have a 4x4, 2 inches longer then the spring perches on each side. I have a center mark on the 4x4, and center it on a 1 1/2 ton floor jack, and center the the 4x4 on the spring perches. Put the car in neutral, and raise the Jack all the way up.

Before that drain the oil first, and then when you raise the Jack, the oil will go to the back of the pan, and not much will run out, but leave it a few minutes, and when you let the jack down, the inspection pan oil will run out.

Always raise the car at the spring perches, never in the middle of the axle, you can bend it, and if you use anything shorter then a ton, and a half jack, it won't work, unless you want to block it, or chain hoist.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 04:25 pm:

After you jack up the car, measure the angle of the inspection cover. Then after you remove said cover, fill the dips with oil, and then tip it to the same angle to see how much oil actually runs out. I haven't done this, but I'm thinking there would be very little. I don't think jacking up the front of a T is going to put it at much of an angle. Just a thought. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M Philpott on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 04:51 pm:

For me this brings up another thought. When I change oil in all my veh and other engines I always just turn the key to bump the engine just enough to help drain the old oil out, and it just rotates the engine enough to do that but still not harm the engine. Its just a way to get the old oil out. With the T engine the same can be done without starting the engine but will it get the old oil out rather than adding a fresh qt with the old oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 05:10 pm:

I think it is 'much ado about nothing'. Do as you wish, but what little old oil that is left in there is not going to hurt a dang thing.

And if I were to pay the minimum price for an oil change at Jiffylube or their equivalent, I'm taking the extra quart and filter home with me to use on something else. Often times, Autozone will run a special where you get 5 quarts and a filter for $16.99 or $19.99. I'll get oil for the T's or A and get a filter that fits one of the modern vehicles. The extra quart will get used on the T's, as they leak out (Or otherwise use) several quarts between changes.:-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 06:56 pm:

I don't change the oil more than once or twice a year because I just don't put on very many miles, but when it's time to pull the plug, I drain the crankcase, then jack up the front end and pour in a quart of the thinnest motor oil available (mixed with maybe a half-cup of Marvel Mystery Oil). The flow starts out black, then becomes gray and then the oil flows clean. Then, I put the front end down on its wheels and a bit more drains out.

The way I figure it; there's no oil filter protection and the more crud I can drain out of the engine, the better. If I had to do it often, it'd be too much trouble, but once or twice a year is no problem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kohnke Rebabbitting on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 07:05 pm:

After you jack up the car, measure the angle of the inspection cover. Then after you remove said cover, fill the dips with oil, and then tip it to the same angle to see how much oil actually runs out. I haven't done this, but I'm thinking there would be very little. I don't think jacking up the front of a T is going to put it at much of an angle. Just a thought. Dave

Well, Dave, I don't believe your thinking has gone as far as my 45 years of doing!


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