Cotter key or pin?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Cotter key or pin?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph Magedanz on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 05:28 pm:

So which is it? Ford uses both.

from the 1926 Ford Operators Manual:

How is the Clutch adjusted? Answer No. 73
Remove the plate on the transmission cover under the floor boards at the driver’s feet. Take out the “cotter key” on the first clutch finger and give the set screw one-half to one complete turn to the right with a screw-driver…

How are the Wheels Removed? Answer No. 89
Front wheels: Take off hub cap, remove “cotter pin” and unscrew castle nut and spindle washer. The adjustable bearing cone can then be taken out and the wheel removed…


Just a matter preference?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 05:30 pm:

One in the same.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 05:37 pm:

Key is often used, but I'd call pin more accurate.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tman - Right Coast on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 05:52 pm:

Well it looks like Sears has a different tool to remove each one.

Cotter Key Extractor; http://www.sears.com/shc/s/craftsman-cotter-key-extractor/p-00904319000P?autoRed irect=true&sLevel=0&redirectType=SKIP_LEVEL

Cotter Pin Puller; http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search=cotter%20pin%20puller?storeId=10153&catalogId= 12605&vName=Tools&viewItems=25&autoRedirect=true&redirectType=CAT_REC_PRED


Now I have to get two to do the job right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 08:53 pm:

Fellows, in Australia they are called split pins, for obvious reasons. The only time I have heard the use of cotter pin here is for the round pin with tapered flat side used to key the pedal shafts to the centre shaft on a bicycle.

Just for interest.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 09:31 pm:

$20 bucks for a cotter/split pin/key puller. I gotta get me one of those. Although I do have some worn out screw drivers, hmmm.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 10:17 pm:

Sears sells Proto tools??

I haven't shopped there in 20 years, but that's mildly surprising. Proto must be getting desperate for market share.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 11:33 pm:

When I had the shop I ordered thousands of cotter pins.
Never EVER called them keys.
You can, however, search merchants by both names and come up with identical results.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Doolittle on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 09:20 am:

Danial- a few years ago, while on tour in Johnson City, TN, our group went through the SNAP-ON Tool factory.

The manufacturing line started with a single bar of steel. By the time the steel reached the end it was a wrench or ratchet. The bars had different MANY brand names stamped on them. Craftsman was one of the many brands.

My point is this: just because it says "Craftsman" doesn't mean its a Craftsman- it just means Sears sells it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 09:21 am:

The first two Proto tools in the second link appear to be identical, except for the price. Any idea why one is $6.40 more than the other?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 10:39 am:

John, Then how do you get a real Craftsman? I doubt Sears makes any tools themselves.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 10:46 am:

I used to work with an old guy, that called them Carter pins! My wish is our suppliers would get them made to the exact same length that Ford used, so we don't have to snip them off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 04:33 pm:

Many times I've seen the work of guys who call them "nails" or "bailing wire".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve in Tennessee on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 06:55 pm:

My dad called a nut a "tap." I never did hear him call a bolt a "die."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph Magedanz on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 07:06 pm:

My uncle called VISE-GRIP© a "clamp-on wrench"...I guess that makes sense.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van Evera on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 07:26 pm:

All the old "recip" mechanics I worked with in the USAF called channel locks, "water-pumps."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 10:45 pm:

I grew up with them being called water pumps. Guess because they kinda look like an old picture pump. They were also handy for tightening the packing nut on water pumps.


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