I just picked up this original 1919 Model T Ford, it is a very complete car, I am helping the widow sell it after her husband passed away
Notice the flap by the windshield
this car was a good runner and parked about 2 years ago, he did put new tires and tubes on it, Bob
WOW. That is TOO cool. Interesting that it's a 1919 and still had the wishbone on top of the axle. Someone mentioned to me that some time in the later teens they started putting the wishbone underneath the axle.
Look at those seats! That's sweet. What are ya'll asking for the car? (Just curious, I don't have any $$$) I'd be really interested to see what it ends up going for.
I have to get it started, someone put a clum switch on it and she could not find the key, but I got the nice original switch with the car, Bob
Yee haw! Back in March I inherited a '14 speedster and had a blast getting it back into driving shape. Have fun with that.
What a beautiful car, Robert. This is a gem that should be restored to good mechanical condition and kept as original as possible. I hope she does well with the car.
As far as I can remember all he put on this was new tires, tubes, wires, plugs and safety glass and it ran like a top, Bob
I believe somewhere about 8500.00
Nice piece of machinery.
This car still has the original engine pans, looks like they have never been off, Bob
I hope you can post more pictures of this car. I would especially like to see details in the engine compartment.
Here are a few more shots, the widow is very happy the car is sold and will be kept just the way it is, Bob
The engine pans look like they have never been removed
Interesting early electrically equipped open car - made before the under the axle wishbone was available on all cars. So the starter and demountables options weren't sold as a package in 1919 on open cars.
What's the casting date/engine #? (First four digits)
Engine # 3351482
Thanks. That's a september car, making it a 1920 according to Ford. So it's already sold?
Yes it is, buyer is keeping original,Bob
Yes going to California, Bob
I just want to point out that the top appears to be light colored on the inside (off white or ?? Why can we not get such material today for our tops--I don't think black is correct for the top insides.
But, what do I know??
PS this should probably be posted with a new subject line, eh?
It is pretty black, might have been the flash on the camera, Bob
Hope the new owner puts a cutout on that poor, poor genny. It's gonna be trying awful hard to start the engine as soon as a new battery is put in!
Otherwise a very charming car!
Maybe the cutout is on the dash?
Congratulations, Richard! Are you selling anything to make room for it?
Guys, this thing will be in good hands.
If my mother-in-law from Loves Park hadn't died two years ago, I'd be offering to drive it home for you, Richard.
The cutout is on the firewall for some reason, Richard seems happy, Bob
real nice looking car, but awful scary looking tiedown job, to my way of thinking, them straps way to small for a car.
The straps were fine car was only 3 miles away and all back roads at 30 mph, emerg. brake works great and we had 4 tie downs, I use heavy straps when hauling cars but this was quick, also got 2 TT Solid rubber 23" truck wheels, wood fellow,Bob
From the looks of the generator cutout mounting screw area it looks like the cutout has been off the generator for a long time.
Makes you wonder why.
Did I read or hear from somewhere that the early generator equipped cars had the cutout on the dash or firewall area?
Notice that the screws on the generator look like they havent had a screwdriver in them.
Thats pretty good if its the original generator. But who knows.
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1917-20H.htm "Initial production of the starter cars had the generator cut-out mounted on the firewall, but by mid-1919 the cut-out was relocated to the standard location on the generator."
The engine looks like it has much of its original paint on it. To me, it looks like the engine, generator and body parts have about the same shade of faded black like they all started out with the same paint.
Do the people who believed the engines were un painted still believe it?
So glad to see that this car will be kept as original as possible. Thanks for the pictures Bob. Someone has has got a great car! Dave
I am the fellow who purchased the car. I've never owned a T with a starter/generator and will be asking questions in the near future. I will not restore the car but will do what maintenance is necessary to insure it runs well.
Not that I plan to drive it much. I don't believe there is much life left in the top and upholstery that would allow a lot of driving. I am thinking of cars shows and a couple swap meets it sprinkled in with a few drives around the neighborhood. If I am satisfied it is road worthy, possibly Pasadena this winter.
How does that sound, Ralph?
Right now, I need advice re the generator.
What should I do when I get the car to insure it will operate as it should. Also any additional info on the cutout being on the firewall would be helpful.
Oh, here is a photo of another original car I owned at one time. This one is a 1916 with a newer top.
BTW, that's an NOS Edison brand battery box on the running board. Right now I regret having sold the car. But it went to a friend of mine who will keep it original.
Sounds Great, Richard! After the HME at end of Dec, you can store it here for next year's tour...
Besides, the wx here isn't near as harsh as what you have, so it would be much better for preservation of the car, which is your goal, isn't it?
Once you find the cutout, replace it with a FunProjects.com regulator. Then build a Regan trickle charger. Of course, you'll want a wishbone brace. I think Bill Bohlen sells them.
DITTO on John Regan's regulator!
Next to proper tire inflation it's the kindest thing you can do for your T.......
This is my early 1920 Canadian Touring with the dash regulator
the firewall of that '20 Touring is otherworldly. I would love to see more of that amazing car.
Never seen a cutout shaped like that or placed on the firewall. Thanks for the photos.
This is the same cut out on the 1919 that Richard bought, Bob
If you check the book, I think you will find that the early cars with Gen had the cutout mounted on the fire wall. Do not move it till you do some checking. Looks like the amp-meter has been changed to the later style, need to research that also. Check the wiring for metal FORD tags, to see if it has been changed. Nice car, sorry I missed it. Dan.
Ya Vic, show us more photo's of your car. (please )
Hi Dan, I also wondered about the ammeter. I checked the Ford bulletins and the article on ammeters dated Feb 1920 shows the same style thats on the car. So I assumed that it would be correct for a late August 1919 car. I do see the picture of the ammeter in Model T Ford by McCalley for 1919 shows a different style face plate but the caption says it may have been changed. If you have some info on it, please let me know. Thanks. Richard
The generator to mag switch looks like it might be cast as I think the very early ones were cast then later changed to sheet metal. If it is cast the switch plate may be correct but the amp meter could have been changed.
If a guy is trying to restore one of these cars in the low cowl black era and especially the first of them from 17-20 GOOD LUCK in trying to get it done exactly 'by the book'.
These were the T's that were in the transition years and since things would interchange the factory would introduce the new items or changes 'on paper' but not actually make the change till months or later into the next production year. And thats were the confusion begins.
If you can one one in the 95-98% correct range your doing good as far as I'm concerned. A complete original car that has not had much changed on it are getting hard to come by and this one is a real find.
Richard: You need to talk to Ben Martin, he knows alot about switches and amp-meters. I do not think he does internet. Someone will send you his #. If I find it I will. That meter may have been changed so long ago that it will be hard to tell. Also, it may have come in the car new. The only guy that knows for sure is the one that installed. Dan.
One more thing, check out the choke rod at the dash. Dan
A good source about the instrument panels on Model T's is under instrument panels in the encyclopedia thats found on this website. It does give a good description of the switch plate thats on the 1919 starter equipped cars.
Thanks John, I did see that on the website encyclopedia and the illustration in Model T Ford, McCalleys book at page 278. The one in McCalleys book was more ornate but still different than the one pictured below which I believe to be later and not correct for car. The book says the one illustrated may have been changed so it might not be the right one either.
I did find a picture of an ammeter in a Ford service bulletin dated Feb of 1920. It is the same style that is pictured above on the car I purchased. The car's engine date is August 28, 1919, so its probably the same one as in the service bulletin but I'd like know more.
One more thing, the switch on the car is definitely the right one, it has a cast handle and there are four rivets, rather than two, holding the switch together. The only issue is whether the ammeter has been changed out.
Any info on the stuffing pad above the windshield? Was that a homespun attempt to keep out the rain and wind or what?
It looks to me to be a bow pad, stuffed into place. It would keep out the wet by soaking it up!
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Bernard, Richard and Dexter,
My T is a 1920 Canadian Touring, Engine is C237648 which I think would be about February, the differences I have found are a sloping windshield that top and bottom glass is movable, it has two bulb headlight reflectors, a one man top (was missing) and the dash mounted cut out. I am posting several pictures as I found it and one as it is now, one picture shows a wooden wedge in the rear right broken spring it was used to try and keep the wheel off the fender.
That close up of the engine side of the firewall would make a neat wall poster.
What is that circular glass piece with the metal frame I see on the instrument panel on the right side of the switch, a blank for a speedometer?
Well the car is loaded and on its way to California. Bob has been great throughout this transaction, making sure the car is secure, especially the top, including an extra switch and ammeter, being available at the call of the trucker, etc. A lot of folks once they had the money wouldn't take the care Bob did.
I hadn't dealt with Bob very much prior to this having purchased only a couple items from him on eBay. Even there, he included a couple outer wheel races gratis when I purchased two inners some time back.
I think good deeds should be rewarded so I've decided to purchase my T parts from Bobs in the future.
He is a knowledgeable, conscientious guy and goes the extra mile to make you happy.
Thank you, Richard, very much, Bob
The original top has the oval clip for the boot also
Yes Richard it is a “Standard” speedometer, it still had the drive gear attached to the right wheel, but the cable and attachments are missing.
I had the pleasure of seeing this car in person a couple of days ago. It's a nice little car. Won't take much to get it right.
do you recall what it needs, Larry?
For the discussion above about the ammeter - here is an early version of the ammeter without the Ford script:
I doubt this car would have the early version though.