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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 12:33 am:

Had the chance to go and I took it. Met Gene C. and two Bills Huson's . Sun was hot, but the breeze was cool. Buntch of nice T's, lots o parts, some nice desert barn finds and more parts. Some A's, some period rods, some vintage speed parts and nick-knacks. It was a fun day for me. Picked up a sparkplug wrench and hotair pipe for a buddy who couldn't attend. Dont tell him, it's a birthday present. I HAVE GOT TO GET MY T OUT HERE,I'm missing the fun.
George n L.A.







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Two Bills and a Gene








Ried would have liked this.








Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 12:47 am:

Well got some up try for some more.


























Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 09:35 am:

Thanks, George. Great pix. The three guys are Bill and Frank Harris, and Gene Carrothers. Gene, I hope you didn't get a hernia hauling that bucket of triple gears to Frank' booth for me.

Sorry I'm missing it. I have six older brothers and sisters (save for one) at a family reunion today, and they insisted I not miss. Maybe they fear I won't be around for another? I met a really old looking guy who I guessed to be WWII vet at the motel in Dunsmuir the other night, and found out he's younger than me. I guess it's not the years or the miles that count, but the bad roads.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Leming on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 10:21 am:

Gotta love them coupes! This one is great, 24 or 25? or can one really tell??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 11:19 am:

I love the buckboard mother-in-law seat in the back of that '15 "phone booth" pick-up. Reminds me of the Subaru Brat.

How many segments are there on Jim's steering wheel rims? Price?

What is the bracket around the pinion bearing area on the Ruckstell? Does it have anything to do with the outside brakes?

Thanks for posting the pictures, George.

: ^ )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 11:52 am:

Keith, the drive shaft brace looks like an accessory made for shortening the driveshaft without welding?
It was discussed in this thread: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/154188.html?1281364621
I would't think there's any connection to the accessory brakes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Robison on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 12:01 pm:

Gauges are optional for the Montana 500. Garrett Green takes full advantage of that rule!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 07:26 pm:

Thanks RD, I just knew I was going to screw up somebody's name. It was a nice day and I forgot my sunscreen. Payin' for it now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard Paulsen, San Buenaventura, Calif on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 01:40 am:

Went today, as I couldn't make it yesterday, pockets full of money. Didn't spend a dime beyond the $6.00 admission as there was nothing that I could find worth buying. The one and only good deal seemed to be Joe Moreno's 1919 Touring for $6,9K. Had I been in the position to buy another T, that would have been a great buy. There was also a great yellow brass Speedster for sale in the parking lot, albeit with no price. No price = no sale. Most sellers mentioned that Friday was indeed a much better day. Oh, well. . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 02:39 am:

Friday wasn't that busy when I was there.12;30 to 5;30.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 10:30 am:

The swap meet wasn't much, at least for me. I bought three early water outlet bolts, and two gaslamp set screws, and a bottle of water. I long for the way the Long Beach meets used to be when they were on Carson Street. Those were the days. Wasn't worth the price of admission, at least for me. They used to be free!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 10:57 am:

Where was this? Cerritos College? I'll bet the admission charge is because they have to pay rent now and didn't used to.

Looks like the brake rods on that Ruckstell come pre-adjusted.

The coupe on the trailer is the rare sunroof version.

Frank has a few years on me, but he looks better preserved than some of the cars.

I'd like to see a video of the bumper-equipped coupe with all its horns going at once.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bill harris on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 11:37 am:

I had a great time at the swapmeet helping my dad Fast Frank and Humble Howard. I even sold almost $100 worth of "stuff" that I cleared out of my garage. I picked up some parts for very reasonable prices and didn't mind paying the $6. I sure would like to go back to 1960 prices and buy one of Larry's brass Ts for $1500 or so since he thinks nothing should change in 50 years :-) :-) :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tim moore on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 02:14 pm:

What does a Galavin go for?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Gilham Bellflower Ca. on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 02:53 pm:

I thought it was a pretty good meet, As a seller I did well. I bought a trolling motor from the seller next to me and a Cool steering wheel from Fast Frank (hopefully there is some fast leftover in the wheel ;) when I use it on my project T)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 04:22 pm:

This is sorta' "off-topic" but because a lot of the Long Beach club guys are probably reading this, I thought I would mention something about the late Pete Cosner's depot hack that I bought from his daughter and son-in-law:

Because of the years of Southern CA. sun I suppose, much of the tan paint and the varnished woodwork was peeling and getting to look pretty shabby. I have stripped off all of the remaining old paint from the wood and have refinished all of the old exterior varnish with five new coats of varnish. I think it probably looks as good as it ever did.

By the way, I took a large "flake" of the original tan paint up to the local Sherwin & Williams paint store, and I can tell you that their "computer color match" thing works very well!

One reason that I mention this is because Frank Harris once told me in a very nice informational email that filled me in on everything he knew about Pete's depot hack, that I had a pretty special Model "T" and that I'd "better take good care of it!" Well, suffice to say, I'm taking very good care of it, and by the way, it STILL has the yellow Long Beach Model T Club sticker on the windshield.

By the way, even tho' I keep it covered and inside, the paint and varnish had deteriorated a lot since the picture on my profile shows, and I'm not able (technically challenged) to post pictures, but I'm pretty proud of how the ol' hack looks now and I think Pete Cosner (and Louie Baglietto) before him) would be pleased too!

Now then,....back to the Long Beach Swap Meet.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 05:02 pm:

I thought it was a good meet, I went on Friday and bought some early 13-14 parts for a song. I'm thankful for the LongBeach guys to continue to do their best to put on a quality swapmeet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 05:02 pm:

Steve Jelf: you are correct and I want to personally thank you for mentioning the facts as they are. It is good to know that some folks understand when good effort is extended.

The swappers come from many miles around to trade and sell parts to each other and to folks who just need one or two more parts to complete a vehicle to drive and for others to enjoy. Swappers rent a space from the Long Beach Model T Club. The Club has to rent the grounds for three days. One day to set up and one day to run the Friday meet and then the last one to run until about 2:00 P.M. And then clean up every last cigarette butt and gum wrapper by hand. Just ask six foot three Gary Guacci why his back hurts today. He is still young enough to be able to bend that long graceful body over and get the job done. He must have spent some time cleaning the parade grounds in his military days as he was very good at it. As Humble Howard and I were cleaning up, we saw Gary personally pick up every cigarette butt on the grounds. Past President Jeff Hood's wife Jane and their daughters sprinkled oil eater on the ever-present drips and spills from under the cars at the car show. After the temporary fence was removed they had to fill in the little holes correctly. All this either costs money or is done by volunteers.

By law . . . We had to rent regular portapotties and handicapped portapotties. We had to provide trash boxes and most folks used them except for perhaps those who complain about the high cost of attending a swap meet. Because some very cheap folks walked about to the other side to sneak in at the back to save a little money perhaps because they don't appreciate the potties and hand wash stations with soap and water and towels. It is for this reason that we have to rent a porta-fence. This fence protects the swappers tables full of the very rare automotive parts and less rare Model T Parts while they enjoy a peaceful sleep on the site without packing everything up and locking it up over night. We do this because some folks are less than honorable and we must allow for their lack of manners and honesty. Yes some folks broke holes in the fence and snuck in.

The swappers pay rent for spaces which does not quite cover the cost of the Club's renting all that it takes to run the meet and have it be a safe place for folks to trade rare parts so they can get their historic vehicles back on the road to display for folks to enjoy. It takes many Club members who volunteer their time to run the meet and have it be a safe place for people to trade parts.

It is a shame that one or two people who attended don't understand that it is not longer 1960 and that folks don't let you use their land for free or simply write off the cost as a donation to a non profit or not for profit activity. Today we must provide handicap accessibility as well as a safe forum. We must provide millions of dollars worth of liability insurance to protect the National Model T Club of America and the paved racetrack parking lot where the event is held. Last year the Long Beach Model T Club donated thousands of dollars to charity from the proceeds of this annual meet that has been held every year since 1954. We believe that we started Swap Meets at that time. Just this past March 2012 The Long Beach Model T Club donated $1000 to the Ronald McDonald House, $1000 to the wounded warriors organization headquartered in Florida, and $500 to the Boys and Girls Club of Long Beach. Another $500 was donated to the Pediatric Cancer Center for the Miller's Childcare’s Hospital now undergoing up-grades. Lastly, $500 was donated to the National Model T Club of America for the new museum project. Our Federal Government is making it difficult to qualify for tax free status for a non profit Club. They have several classifications and that makes it difficult to select a plan that fits the organization's goals and objectives and to follow orders. In the good old honor system. We have the honor and the Government has the system. One could assume that they love to make it difficult to comply and do so in order to confuse and dissuade folks from using the system in an honorable fashion.

By the way as I stated before, the rental of the swap spaces almost pays for the Club's overhead and it is the gate receipts that give the profit of which we must donate part of it to worthy causes. And it is all done by volunteers. I do hope you notice that we gave more monies to non Model T organizations than to our own causes. The Government is a tough bunch to work with but we try to comply with their ever changing rules and regulations while providing a forum for the exchange of parts because the Ford Motor Company stopped supporting our beloved Model T's over 71 years ago and someone has to do it.


I just wish that the Government rule writers understood our goals and objectives as well as they understand their own regulations which most likely only earn a drop in the bucket and costs them more to operate and police than they take away from us and our good deeds.

It reminds me of the days when I delivered news papers for $21 a month in the 1940's. I didn't pay income taxes because they were not required because the paperwork created would have cost more than the money earned in taxes paid during the transactions. I mowed lawns for 50 cents and grew fresh vegetables in our back yard during WWII and sold them in order to buy more seeds. We raised rabbits and traded the pelts for more food so they could line bomber jacket collars and gloves with the fur. We dried the pelts and traded them for rabbit pellets to feed the next batch of rabbits, which we ate. Today they would charge us for the rabbit foods. And we would have to pay a service fee in order to eat the meat. We would pay taxes on the money earned for selling the pelts and the do gooders would argue that the airmen should not wear fur. Uncle Sugar would be the middle man and tax us both ways and then raise our taxes to pay for the paperwork they caused.

We won WWII in just over four years and killed a lot of innocent folks but we had a goal and we achieved it. The world is a better place because of it. We re-trained the bad guys and now because of their wisdom and lack of overbearing regulations they are ahead of us. We are still over in the middle east today after about 10 years or so and are getting nowhere other than loosing some fine young women and men for no apparent cause. Government Regulations have turned us into what our new leadership has desired and are achieving it at a fast rate by failing. You simply can't pick the fly specks out of the pepper when there are no easy to follow regulations. Go in and get the job done and don't write a bunch of paper hurdles to comply with just to give jobs to Government workers who live off of your taxes paid in good faith in our honor system.

Today you can't hire a little guy for 50 cents to sweep out your barber shop. You must provide workers compensation, ABC XYZ and everything else. The worst part is that if he slips and falls he knows how to sue your company and take your business from you. Life is tough and then you die.

Sorry for the ventilation but a lot of people worked hard to put on this event where we almost break even. It is a shame some folks are not happy with the efforts. Perhaps the unhappy ones should provide a forum for a good cause and learn about helping others.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Sanders-Auburn Al on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 06:58 pm:

Bravo, Frank!
Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mc Ginnis Dearborn, MI on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 09:03 pm:

Frank- Well said. Congratulations to all of the LBMTC folks who have worked hard to continue this event. Like I said in a previous post, I have attended this event several times over the last 20 years and it has always been great. Wish I could have been there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 09:53 pm:

Ok Frank, Well I will be paying 10 dollars next year to help you guys out and challange every one else to do the same. This was my second year and I will make it next year. I have found enough parts to make it worth my trip and I travel over 250 miles to get there. And Iam there when you open. Great swap meet, people and parts. Thanks, Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 10:27 pm:

Robert, it's not necessary to pay more than is asked. Of course donations are gratefully accepted but send your extra money to the National Club for the museum. And get your own tax deduction. We just don't like it when folks complain after we try to do a good deed or two. Perhaps they didn't know that we make donations because our Club doesn't brag about such things. So, I thought it was time to explain why we charge admission to get in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 12:08 am:

Tim Moore: The twin cam Gallavan was not for sale and was only on display. It got a lot of interest.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 01:03 am:

Very good, Frank. Well said, and needed. Thank you to you and all your club (even though it has been over thirty years since I made it to that meet).
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Bowker on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 12:33 am:

Heather and I had a great time, sold lots of regular T stuff and even gave a refund when someone complained....
I'll be there next year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Sullivan, Powell WY on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 03:41 pm:

If anyone knows who now has that Ruckstell pictured above - I would be very very appreciative of detail photos of that brake setup. Please PM me contact information or share mine with them. Even if you did not buy it, but took good photos. I would really love to see detail of that setup.

I was in LA on Friday, but did not make the event. I once lived near NYC as well as other areas, so not my first metro driving rodeo. However, I have not seen anything like the traffic I experienced last week. You all that drive Ts in that environment have my deepest respect. I do not understand how you can do anything but drive out, then right back into your garages.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Dobbins on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 04:37 pm:

To all the people who put on the meet, thanks for your efforts. True it is not the same as the good old days, but what is? Without the dedicated few there would be no meet and a long tradition would die. I'm not much of a joiner when it comes to clubs and really don't like the political stuff that comes with clubs, but that's just me. It was great to see some of the club members from years back. Keep up the effort, it's much appreciated!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron White on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 04:50 pm:

The Ruckstell belongs to Frank or Howard, it was in their booth


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Dobson on Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 06:21 pm:

Great swap meet and a true service for our hobby, auto lovers, and restorers. Thanks to the Long Beach Model T Ford Club and it's hardworking volunteers that made it possible. Thanks also to the vendors. Keep those Model T parts coming.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 11:30 pm:

Brian, I used to say southern California traffic didn't bother me because I was raised in it. Now I say it doesn't scare me because I was raised in it, but I have to confess it's starting to bother me. When the Foothill Freeway, for cryin' out loud, is stop and go on a weekend afternoon, it's getting to be just a bit much. Makes me appreciate all the deserted rural roads here in Podunk.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 12:01 am:

Steve, maybe the traffic on the 210 has increased through Pasadena because it now extends to San Bernardino or somewhere way east..

rdr
Paso Robles


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Gilham Bellflower Ca. on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 12:18 am:

Steve and Ralph, I'm on the Fwy's a bunch on the weekends and they are good only till about 9:30-10:00 in the morning. Then it's a crap shoot. I try and plan my estate sale shopping early and fast. Like you Steve I was raised here but the traffic really bothers me sometimes. My 20 minute drive to/from work becomes an hour plus if anyone does something stupid.
My Mom in Law lives in Banning. When we go to visit we take the 605 to 210 all the way to the 10 and we live near the 91 and 605. The long way works out the best in most cases.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 12:40 am:

Our Garmin Gypsy saved me from a half hour of ugly traffic today. As we were coming down the 101 approaching SFO, it diverted us to the 280, which was clear sailing. Its constant reminder of how much I'm speeding is also great. It knows speed limits on all hiways.

rdr
Paso Robles


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Lake View Terrace, CA on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 01:06 am:

Steve, any weekend afternoon on the 210 is when you don't want to be on the 210. Week days between 10:00am till 3:00pm it's fine after that you'd get stuck in "go home traffic".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 10:59 am:

The reason I was on the 210 this winter is that I was on my way to dinner with a young man who was one of my students when he was ten. He and his wife live in Fontana, where they moved when they both worked in Pasadena. Now he does his engineering for an aerospace firm in El Segundo. So every morning he drives from Fontana to to El Segundo, and every evening he drives from El Segundo to Fontana. This has to be The Commute From Hell.

Forty years ago, the 91 though Santa Ana Canyon was stop and go on Sunday afternoons, and the ever-growing gridlock has metastasized to cover more ground and more hours of the day ever since. It's one of the reasons I'm out of there. As they used to say about New York, nice place to visit, but...


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