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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Whats your opinion on value
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shane lockard on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 02:35 pm:

hello i have lurked here before and saw this on ebay. i called and spoke with the seller but i'm not sure what its worth. he said a couple older gentlemen rebuilt it for him in wisconsin of course i don't really know. i would like to think i can trust people but i know the fact is it could be only new paint since i don't know the seller. if it is truly rebuilt i know that that doesn't come cheap. there seems to be a lot of new stuff on it so i think that i can believe him. my plan would be to build a depot hack from it as i am thinking that it would be the easiest route to go. If I go this route does anyone have a few good pictures of a hack built from plans or a good source for plans. i know woodwagon2@aol or something like that but i am the type of guy that needs to see it first. thanks for looking and an help is appreciated http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-Ford-Model-T-Chassis-Running-Gear-And-Engine-No-Res erve-Auction-/300742840817?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4605ab 91f1&vxp=mtr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shane lockard on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 02:38 pm:

i know value is in the eye of the beer holder or something like that and i want to be fair to the seller but i want to be fair to myself also thanks again guys


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth H. Spratlin on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 04:19 pm:

I'm not an expert, but personally with what all comes with the car, it looks pretty darn good to me. Looks like most of what you'd need to do is clean up those fenders and then put a body on it. I'd re-route those plug wires and I'd really like to see the car started before I bought it, but if it's what you're looking for then to for it. If it was me, I'd go up to but not over $3,500. If it goes for more than that, someone wanted it worse.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wes Nelson ........Bucyrus, MO on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 04:23 pm:

Shane, I predict that car will go well over $2500, since you have access to ebay, check out the one that sold last week for $2200. As for a hack body, are you a cabinet maker? Do you have the tools and knowledge for wood working? I don't so I paired up with a friend who has those things and he fabricated a body for mine, from standing tree to finished product. Check out my profile. I learned a lot from him and I always give him credit. Good luck, Wes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike_black on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 04:28 pm:

Shane,
If you worked on this for the last 5 years to get it to this point, could you honestly make yourself not start it? WHY has it not been started? How much is it going to cost you to go get it? The big thing you have to ask yourself is do you want to HAVE a T, or do you want to BUILD a T. You can probably find one a lot closer that you can see, touch, and feel before buying, that's in good shape, for a lot less than you'll have in this one by the time you get it done. If you want to build one yourself, this one looks like a good start. The bidding seems to be approaching my cost to value comfort limit! I've got a hack and I love it, but, you don't build one over a weekend. Good luck with your decision.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Gilham Bellflower Ca. on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 04:42 pm:

Like what has already been said by others 2500-3500 I think is fair BUT I don't think you could do what is there for any less dollar wise and how much time do you have? Don't mean to be negative but I'd almost bet it goes higher than 3500.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 05:58 pm:

Sold for $3,515.00. Did you get it Shane? Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Cassara Long Island, NY on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 06:09 pm:

I agree with the above posts. I am in the process of building a drivable chassis now. I have been collecting parts and I have about 50% of the estimated sell price invested. I am close to "done" as that chassis appears to be. My long term goals include an estimated max investment in my project. What you have to ask your self is how does this piece fit my budget. The difference between winning and loosing the item could be only $1.00.

The auction ended at $3515. Did you win it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shane lockard on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 07:35 pm:

no it went for more than i really felt comfortable spending with the unknowns. i know what the seller told me on the phone and I think he was an honest person but I kind of agreed with mikes comment above. I don't think i would have been able to resist starting it but then again with the garbage that we call gasoline maybe he didn't want it to set with gas in it being that it seems like a long term project. I guess my search continues. on one side of the coin i want a project but then again i want to be able to drive it before i die. hahaha. I don't really know what attracts me to the model t's but its something that goes back to my childhood. I'm 34 and i think its time i find a hobby that I can enjoy with my father because I don't want to wake up one day and say boy i wish i would have. anyhow thanks for the posts guys i appreciate your help shane


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 09:09 pm:

I've been down both roads, long term project and car you can drive now. The ideal way to go, if you have the space, is both. The car you can drive now doesn't have to be a 100 point restoration, just something you can enjoy while you work on the project. Some people make their first project a spare engine, transmission, and rear axle they can stick in the running car while they work on the one that was in it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 10:15 am:

Steve has the answer for the 'newbie' looking to start. You also provide an answer in your last response, 'where I wanted to be'.

The real question is where do you want to be $$$$$ all in? ...how long do you want to take to get there? Your own labor tends to always be 'free', and these things always grow legs from the original 'budget'.

I don't know the seller, but the description sounded fair, I'd never fully trust an engine/powerplant anyway if I didn't know exactly who rebuilt it, but that is me. You then have to send a tired one out for a complete rebuild through to tranny, you're looking at a 5K nut after the sale for a 'no worries' rebuild with most possible questioned replaced, but as mentioned, start it, or have a you tube of it started and you can pretty much gauge where it is 'for now'. Going for 3500+ sounds a bit reasonable to me for 'as described', risk inclusive.

Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. I bought an everything is there, yet everything is tired and everything will need to be touched in time some 30 years ago for 'reasonable' money at the time, learned to ropes, had the 'hard luck' designation most of the first year with the local club, but then had over 20 trouble-free years out of it with pocket change needs before it needed to be put on blocks waiting for the piggy-bank to get fat for a nose to tail resto.

Later I bought a '15 that was 'show quality' proper and correct with actual low known miles and had to pay a 20% premium over the going rate to get it. Yeah I had known the previous 30 years on it, probably a total of 400 miles...but thats where paying a premium comes in, the provenance. That too has been a trouble free car for the last 20 years that I have owned it, and for it those 20 years were not 'show queen' but quite the opposite. I run it long and run it hard.

The last purchase was a 'troll' for what was a 'mutt' or 'bitsey' in club parlance with a perfect body on it and unknown real chassis condition beneath and a body style I wanted in my stable. Since owning it, I'm under it as much as driving it, but no complaints because I see it as fun and I got in for a price that would say maybe $2K worth of 'underneath'. It started easy, no smoke, but does rattle a bit, but I'll play with it, accept the 'Fix Or Repair Daily' and drive it until it hammers and then do the chassis right.

Point here is each buy was done for different reasons, price paid according to the reasons, and while that is me, depends on what you want, and there is always a risk with any of it, even a fresh rebuild.

The best advice I can give you is to not simply lurk, but ask questions as you form a plan, and then also get friendly with a local club chapter for new best friends. Lot's of times, real 'jewels' never make craigslist or e-bay and are word of mouth. Your new best friends can be your 'angels' in getting you started both for the advice and for their technical know-how should you have a burp later.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 10:42 am:

I don't know....$3500 + not really knowing what you have seems an excessive price. Good Luck to whoever though.


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