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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: What does ORIGINAL mean to you?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 02:17 am:

I see stuff on ebay and all over creation advertising cars as "original" while sporting some of shiny paint there is.......clearly NOT original.
I don't think it's quantum physics to realize original is just that.

This is what I'm referencing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Model-T-Touring-Car-1921-MODEL-T-FORD-TOURIN G-ALL-ORIGINAL-SOUND-NICE-STRAIGHT-RUNNER-AND-/170888705298?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&ha sh=item27c9c2b512


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 02:26 am:

I just registered my T for the first car show I have entered. I don't know if this is standard operating procedure for car shows, but they consider 3 or fewer modifications as "stock" for classification purposes.

So my Model T, with it's distributor, 1960s paint and safety glass in the windshield qualifies as "stock".

If you are looking for truly "original", very very few cars would qualify. Original tires rarely survive more than a few years....grin...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Manuel, Lafayette, La. on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 08:25 am:

I look at it in a broad context--original cars are for the most part period correct as opposed to street rods or reproductions like the Shay. Like Daniel said, by a strict definition, few would qualify.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 08:29 am:

Except for rarities like the "Rip Van Winkle" touring, there are no originals. Even cars whose owners are sticklers for keeping most things stock are likely not to have babbitt thrust washers and leather axle seals. I would guess that a majority of today's Model T's don't have a leather fan belt. Even pre-1920 T's with Champion X plugs are likely to have the later brass-capped ones.

Original is one of those words like classic that gets thrown around a lot when it really doesn't apply.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 08:48 am:

I have what I call an original 1926 Fordor manufactured in February of that year, that has been garage kept for it's entire 86 year existence. With the exception of the red paint that was applied years ago to preserve the body, it is as it came from the factory, never having been restored or new parts applied, with original upholstery, roof, sunvisor, glass, weather stripping, wood, body panels, engine, bolt positions, etc. Even the special fender bolts are original and have never been disturbed.

My Fordor is a T that can be and has been used by some members to see what a Model T looked like coming off the assembly line and how everything originally went together. I bought it in 2004 and have put off doing anything to it yet, for, as we say, it is only original once. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Gould on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 09:39 am:

To me there is a difference between original and stock. Original means with the components that came with the car. Of course items like spark plugs, tires or plugs may have been replaced. Stock means period correct. The car on eBay I would say is stock.
I've been lucky to have had three original cars, two had been stored in a barn loft or chicken coop most of their lives. I currently own the third. On that one the wiring and tires have been replaced, but that's it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 09:58 am:

The Rip Van Winkle T is an exception. (is it still missing ?). Parts must be changed through maintenance or failure over the 80+ life span of the car. That's why period correct parts replacement is OK in judging if you're into that. It's also why period correct paint is acceptable.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:17 am:

Posted too quick: my point is original to me means a running car with out modifications. Not with out new parts, without modified parts that alter the car's appearance. Fresh, period correct paint doesn't alter a car just improves it's looks. Now I will say, in my case, this is open to include modern seals and other such items that are improvements and don't "show". If a knowledgeable show judge can't tell if your car's original without taking it apart and it runs better to boot, new/improved/doesn't show is OK here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:29 am:

"The modifications on MY car make it safer, more reliable and improve it’s appearance. The modifications on YOUR car are unnecessary, troublesome, gaudy and ruin the whole character of the Model T!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:30 am:

My 1926 Coupe which was original when I bought it in 1970 is period correct, but I would not claim that it is still original, as it has been completely restored to its' factory fresh appearance. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:33 am:

PS Except for the Ford Script emblem on the radiator, the dogbone motometer and running board step plates...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:34 am:

Depends on who I'm talking to... Being one of the young guys in the hobby, people tend to think "T Bucket" when I say I own a Model T, so it's easier to describe it as "all original" even though it is far from it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:39 am:

Derek, I run into that all the time. When I tell folks I have a model T, often times I'm asked, "with a 350 or a big block?".

When I show them a pic of it, THAT'S when they get impressed. "Wow, looks original!" Although I did have one guy ask if it was a Shay's....

grin....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:39 am:

I don't worry about it! All my cars are "Original" That is they have Model T parts or parts made for a Model T. All the parts might not have been made in the same month or year, and some are aftermarket parts available when the T was new such as Ruckstell and Rockies. Some parts are reproductions.

I am not in the show car business. I think car shows do nothing for me. They give prizes for the "Best car" The best car might be best because all the work and detailing was professionally done. It only tells us how much money the owner was willing to spend. However, there are many amateur restorations which are very good and I personally would rather see a car which has been restored and or maintained by the owner, and driven to the location.

It's true that I use a trailer, but only for long distances over 30 miles or so from my home. I do it to save time getting to the location. I drive on tours and parades, and enter in some car shows which don't require a fee to enter. I don't enter to get a trophy, but to let the people see what a Model T is.

Anyway, I might have offended some of the readers, but that's the way I see it. These are Model T's, not Rolls Royces. These cars are not rare, and they were the low priced cars sold and intended to be used as regular transportation.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:43 am:

I will add to what I said above. That car in the ad looks to me to be a very good specimen of a Model T. I would not in any way be ashamed to own it. The price which has been offered is probably lower than what it cost to get the car into that condition. I already have a garage full or I might even consider bidding on it myself.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:52 am:

This is what I say about our 1919 on a placard I use when showing the car.

This vehicle is an example of a 1919 Model T Ford with very few modifications and a fully documented history. Its current condition is the result of 46 years in storage (sometimes called barn fresh) and depicts what an active Model T looked like during the first third of the last century.

After a brief history of the Model T and the Mifflenburg Body company, I say ..

This 1919 Model T belonged to Earnest Alm who got his license to drive in 1906 and was the chauffer for the McQuillen family of Brookline MA. The vehicle was used in Brookline in the winter and Cape Cod in the summer, thus it became known as a beach wagon. In later years it was stored in a barn at Mr. Alm’s summer home in Brewster MA and moved to a shed in 1951 when the barn was sold.

And add that my dad purchased it from Mr Alm in 1956 -- Then I add.

The years and salt air had not been kind to the metal as it had an even coating of rust. The wood, although needing refinishing, was in surprisingly good condition, and the rubber tires were completely gone.

Mr. Dimock’s eldest son was around 11 years old at the time and remembers working with his dad as he stripped it to the frame and restored it. Mr. Dimock was adamant that the vehicle remain as close to original as possible. Each part was carefully refurbished, the paint was the correct enamel and that every piece of wood restored – not replaced. Unfortunately one floor board and a two foot piece of molding along the top were not salvageable.


Is it original?
No - but it was restored to near original condition and is not just a bunch of T parts that have been put together to make a car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 11:29 am:

Original is a Ford made part.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 12:19 pm:

Larry - Is it original when I put a 389 CuIn Ford V8 in my Model T ?
Just Kidding :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 12:39 pm:

What if it came with a DB front axle?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieT on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 01:09 pm:

Probably one of the best descriptions of what original means is point number 10 in the requirements for inserting a classified ad in the Horseless Carriage Gazette.

Point 10 says "Please note: The word "original" means unrestored, as the factory manufactured the vehicle. A vehicle can only be original once. "Authentic" means stock or un-modified."

Charlie


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 01:21 pm:

"Original", (or the optional eBay spelling, origional), as well as "just rebuilt" are words I automatically ignore. If I were to consider them any further, I would get frustrated.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 01:58 pm:

A DB front axle would be original. The steering column on my 1910 T Touring is marked "Dodge Bros." The engine was probably made by Dodge Bros. They owned 10 percent of the Ford Company.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 01:42 am:

As a long time horseless carriage guy, I disagree with the HCCA's definition. And have said so many times. Strictly speaking, "authentic" has nothing to do with whether or not something has been restored, and neither does original when you consider the definition.
According to my three and a half inch thick fine print 1966 dictionary; original
First definition; Of, or belonging to the beginning, origin, or first stage of existence of a thing. (Clearly does not exclude restoration.)
Also; The first form of anything. (Still no restoration exclusion.)
Most of the rest of over an inch of fine print mostly has to do with "original thoughts" or art-forms.
I like to use the phrases "as original" or "era correct". Original is a word that needs a qualifier, or other word to pin down the intended meaning. Of course, most people still would not know the difference between "truly" original and "as" original.

I was an argumentative child.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 05:56 am:

One could argue that a survivor is not original, because it didn't come from the factory with all that rust and wear and tear. Many use the term "restored to original condition". I have no problem with calling a restored car or a survivor car "original", as long both parties know what the context is and one is not trying to BS the other. It's really a matter of semantics.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vince M on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 10:05 am:

Hal,

That is so true. It begs the question "How old does a car have to be before its no longer original?"
I am not sure there is an answer.

Vince M


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 10:22 am:

This business can come down to the Almighty Dollar as it some times does. There's a show I get on TV called "Chop, Cut Rebuild. They restored a '69 Charger that had some special signifigance. The car had been sitting outside on the ground for years. By the time they finished replacing body parts I think the only original sheet metal was the top of the dash with the VIN tag on it. Roof, fenders,doors, floors. All replaced but when they took it to Sema it was touted as "the actual car" and was accepted as such. In all probability this car could go to a Concours show and be judged as what they were told it was: a restored '69 Charger. There's no cut off point where price is concerned. If it can be judged original by others it's close enough today.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 10:37 am:

I was typing up an opinion regarding the fact that I have always understood "original" to mean, as is, from the factory with genuine Ford parts applied on the assembly line and never restored. That an original Model T is original from the factory, only once.

To illustrate this, I was using the the fact that there is only one original "Mona Lisa" and only one original "Declaration of Independence" and that all others are copies, then I began thinking about it. A Model T that has been restored to original condition is not a copy and the fact that over the last 500 years the Mona Lisa has been "restored" numerous times, makes it no less original. Hmmm... Something to think about. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 04:05 pm:

I like Hals point of view. How many times have you heard in referance to a restored T that they were never that shiny black or to see an owner say "thats the way they were back in the day" in referance to a very weathered unrestored T? Or that T's not original it has a distributor I find the words original is often used to justify one owners point of view. I remember I went to buy my first T. The owner was quite proud of the fact that this car still had all the original plate glass[only thing on the car that was not broke]and was very much ofended that was the very first thing I planned to replace. He almost didn't sell it to me on this fact.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 10:39 pm:

I have a T that is made up of 100% original Ford parts. The car is not original, because it never was a car before I created it. BUT it is 100% authentic, except for original Rocky Mountain Brakes, made in the '20s, and a Ruckstell Axle, made in the '20s. Boy, am I going to get it on this one!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 11:03 pm:

As a lot of T were taken apart for shipping, then chances are, when they were sold new they weren't factory original because the chassis that they were assembled at the factory on may not be the same one from the factory.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 03:16 am:

It depends on context. When discussing antique cars, original is a matter of degree, context and common sense. Unless the 15-millionth Model T was retired very soon after its manufacture and placed on permanent display, there are no absolute originals of that type. The low durability of turn-of-the-century tires is enough to bust the "absolute" definition.

When I first became an owner, I felt my car wasn't qualified to be entered in shows whose requirements specified "unmodified cars only." After a while, I came to realize that they weren't talking about my Rocky Mountain brakes and my alternator. They basically meant no hot-rods. Again, context.

Most of the time, I know what to say when a spectator asks me, "Is that car original?" I tell them that the car has its original frame, body and engine; that although the upholstery and fabric parts have been replaced, the car is mostly in stock condition, except for some added safety equipment. I don't think anybody needs to be told that the car isn't wearing its original tires.

A barn find may be original (within context), but it is no longer in original condition. A restored car may be in original condition, but is not original. Both cars are stock.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 11:00 am:

The only time a Model T ford is original is when it came off the assembly line and was sold to the new owner.
Even at that it could have parts or pieces installed on it that were left over from the previous years production run. Thats where the confusion begins whether its a pure 19? or whatever.
The probably only pure 100% pure original T is the few Ford may have kept for display. And thats a maybe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Orlando Ortega Jr. on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 11:53 am:

I bet there are a few, maybe even more than a handful Model T’s out there that are pretty authentic and original. There’s been a few posted on here from time to time that look to not have ever been pieced together or restored. I know we’ve called them “survivors” rather than argue about how exact they are to factory original. On these type cars, I like the word “survivor”. It seems to fit the situation appropriately.

I generally say that my '21 Runabout is a “survivor” and pretty close to original and authentic, but I’m no expert to determine that. The car had two owners in its life before me, a father and son. According to the history provided to me, it was never taken apart or restored. However, under their ownership, they did replace the engine/transmission sometime in its life as it has a later year engine/transmission. A few era accessories were added (accessories added I believe early in its life, maybe even right after the car was purchased). It has a few welds here and there, and possibly a few coats of kerosene or shellac, or something that caused the paint to shrink over the years. I also believe it may have had the top replaced at some point years ago. I’m certain it also went through a few sets of tires along the way. The car looks to have been well taken care of and maybe even pampered a bit. I have a feeling it was mostly city driven and garaged. The odometer reads 79,121 miles. I don’t know how accurate that is, but it could be correct. I would say the car’s condition reflects that mileage.

Since my ownership, although the car did run, to make it more reliable, I rebuilt the engine/transmission and most of the electrical. I also had to replace the top and interior to make it a little more pleasant to drive. The material was dry, brittle and tearing. I also applied Johnson's floor wax on the body to try and bring back some black to the paint.

I plan on changing out the babbitt thrust washers in the rear axle sometime soon, maybe this winter.

Other than that, as far as what I can tell, and what some of you experts have said, I believe it may be pretty original and authentic, a car I’d call a “survivor”.

Orlando


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:28 am:

I like "survivor" best for relatively unmolested examples.
Authentic is a great descriptor too which to me means repaired with correct parts yet mostly unmodified otherwise.

It just bugs me to see something described as original when it's sporting a shiny paint job that cost 8-10 times as much as the car did.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 12:56 pm:

Following Craig's words:

What do you see first on a car? Its shape.

What's next, the finish?

Unless your (pre-26) T is finished in Gilsonite, you have no call to criticize any other T for lack of originality. The things most highly criticized don't even show, yet paint jobs hardly get a mention.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 03:30 pm:

Charlie T got me thinking about the word Authentic, but I got hung up on "stock or unmodified" because it could include a bunch of parts from various T's to make another one.

I am beginning to be most comfortable with "restored to near original condition"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 03:34 pm:

Ricks, Not to thread drift too far but what is Gilsonite? Is it gloss paint? Or has it ever been used or reproduced in modern times in the resto. of T's? Just curious Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 04:31 pm:

Gilsonite
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gilsonite is the registered trademark for a form of natural asphalt found only in the Uintah Basin of Utah; the non-trademarked mineral name is uintaite or uintahite.[1] It is mined in underground shafts and resembles shiny black obsidian. Discovered in the 1860s, it was first marketed as a lacquer, electrical insulator, and waterproofing compound about twenty-five years later by Samuel H. Gilson.[2]

By 1888 Gilson had started a company to mine the substance, but soon discovered the vein was located on the Uintah and Ouray Indian Reservation. Under great political pressure Congress removed some 7,000 acres (28 km2) from the reservation on May 24, 1888 to allow the mining to proceed legally.[3] Gilsonite mining became the first large commercial enterprise in the Uintah Basin, causing most of its early population growth.

This unique mineral is used in more than 160 products, primarily in dark-colored printing inks and paints, oil well drilling muds and cements, asphalt modifiers, foundry sand additives, and a wide variety of chemical products. The trademark, registered in 1921, belongs to the American Gilsonite Company.[4]

Gilsonite-brand uintahite's earliest applications included paints for buggies and emulsions for beer-vat lining. It was used by Ford Motor Company as a principal component of the Japan Black lacquer used on most of the Ford Model T cars.[6]

6.^ Lamm, Michael; How Cars Got Colors; Invention and Technology Magazine, Spring 1997, Volume 12, Issue 4.

I can't get the above link to come up. Reid Welch experimented with Gilsonite and how it was applied in the factory in 2000-1.

The pre-black era cars used varnish with color pigments.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 07:21 pm:

Thanks Ricks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

Interesting subject. Lots of pertinent opinions. Should easily solve the important issues of the world.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:06 pm:

Ok, don't shoot I was just kiddin. I think in this particular instance it's important to answer how far we can stray from as first built before original applies. It's one of those descriptive words that leaves too much up to personal interpretation. And it's important to interpret some of these descriptions when we're purchasing a $10,000.00 vehicle. At the risk of getting spanked again it's like giving a car a ring job and some fresh paint and calling it restored.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:23 pm:

On the other hand, Mike, a GOOD paint job can cost thousands whereas one MIGHT get away refurbishing (I like that word too...... :-) ) an engine for several hundred.

(I hope I'm not derailing my own thread..... LOL)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:33 pm:

Come on Craig, did you have to bring "refurbishing" into the mix. That's it I'm going back on Facebook. ;-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:54 pm:

Anybody using Japan black with Gilsonite on a T today? I want my T to look original, at least to the casual observer, but I have no aversion to using modern paint. But I sure don't call it original. I probably shouldn't even call it restored, but that term has come to mean fixed up to pass for new and using correct features and parts. If it's original, I expect it to have the paint and parts it had when it came from the factory, with the exception of parts like tires, belts, and wiper blades that have to be replaced in normal use. As the term has come to be used, a restored vehicle has new (modern) paint, replated nickel or chrome parts, new glass, and correct parts to simulate its appearance when new.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Orlando Ortega Jr. on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:13 pm:

Steve,

Try a little Johnson Floor Wax on an old fender. You might like the results.

Orlando


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:17 pm:

My cars are restored, but they are "AS ORIGINAL".

I just hate the use of the word "classic".
My T is not a classic, My Nashes are not classics, my all original '84 Volvo is damn sure not a classic and my all stock as original '51 Ford pickup with matching numbers is not a classic.
My son's '84 Caprice Classic is not a classic and never will be.
I am a Classic!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:18 pm:

Tell me more Orlando.......how MUCH will it shine up a dull finish?
Seriously.......the finish on my Tudor is awful.......black but awful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:35 pm:

Once again, everything reminds me of something else. In this case it's Johnson's wax. The radio show remembered today as Fibber McGee and Molly was officially introduced on the air by Harlow Wilcox every week as The Johnson's Wax Program, with Fibber McGee and Molly. Then as now, there was always somebody in the audience ready to take offense. A woman in Mississippi wrote an angry letter over some joke she didn't like, and said she'd never listen again or use the sponsor's product. Head writer Don Quinn responded, "As for never listening again, we never knew you were there, so we won't miss you. As for never using Johnson's Wax, that's OK. It isn't meant for dirt floors."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Orlando Ortega Jr. on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:37 pm:

Craig,

Here's a before and after photo.

It was recommended to me from a Model T fellow here on the forum.

Orlando


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:54 pm:

My dvr is set to capture programs with Model T. Tonight I watched "Counting Cars," featuring a fixit shop in Vegas. They showed a T bucket with twin supercharged V8s in front, setting side by side. The car had almost zero forward visibility due to the twin superchargers way up high.

That one is original, alright. There isn't another like it anywhere.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:08 pm:

Craig:

If you have the original Gilsonite paint on your car, denatured alcohol will clean and give some life to the paint.

Follow with carnauba car wax.

Below are before and after photos of my '17 roadster. The reason my car had such a white haze to the paint was that the original owner had covered it with shellac. Moisture from years of poor storage probably made it turn hazy.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:30 pm:

Those examples are pretty impressive considering how they were....... :-)
Unfortunately it appears that the Tudor was repainted, from the original green which I wish they had left alone, using a brush and less than glossy paint.
I did a little test a while ago and I think the finish will brighten up considerably with some elbow work.
Thanks for the ideas....... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:32 pm:

(I WISH we had few minutes to edit posts.....grrrrrrr)

I DID buy some car wash detergent with carnauba wax in it........NOW I won't be afraid to actually USE it........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:33 pm:

Nice roadster Erik. I'd rather see cars like that than any 100 point restorations. Your little roadster has a lot of personality. It would be a shame to see anyone paint it. My touring is in about the same shape as your roadster. My tudor is much worse. I can't pick a favorite between them. Anyone with enough money can restore a car. It takes someone with some ability to keep ones like ours on the road. Although I have to admit because of my disabilities I had to have Andy Loso rebuild the rearend on mine. And in my opinion there's not another Model T guy alive as good at mechanicals as Andy. And he does some pretty good tin work too. For a younger guy he's really got it together.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:50 pm:

Holy crap, that's funny, Steve! hahaha

Nice cars guys!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 12:00 am:

I agree with Danial. Steve you really have a knack for good humor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 12:04 am:

I third that....... :-)

I always say "If you can't fun you might as well be dead"........and I mean it.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Miller, Sequim WA on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 01:02 am:

We used 40 lb bags of Gilsonite in the Asphalt Pavement as it was being mixed. The County of Los Angeles required 2 percent of it on some of their streets to harden the mix. It was a sand and dust consistency, very black as it glistened in the sun.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 01:23 pm:

Eric, I see you have one or those rare blank MN PIONEER plates. I could use one for my plate collection.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 01:25 pm:

Also i see it is ERIK and not ERIC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 01:33 pm:

Here is a close up of the plate with the proper number.

plates


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 04:31 pm:

Darel:

When I was a kid, I took a cereal box bicycle license plate, painted it gold and made it number 1/2 Minnesota Pioneer.

I gave it to Ward Nyholm to put on his green pedal car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 04:23 am:

Craig, you can edit posts. Just do it before you post it. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 09:27 am:

Ya David.......but that doesn't always pan out......as a moderator on another site I know how that goes......


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