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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van Evera on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 10:55 pm:

Veterans, were you aware that a change to Section 9 of the U.S. Flag Code written into the Defense Authorization Act in 2008 gives veterans and members of the U.S. Armed Forces the authority to render a salute to the flag, whether or not they are in uniform or wearing identifying veteran apparel such as an American Legion or VFW cap? I just found this out! You Grand old flag, I salute you!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 11:44 pm:

Joe, yes, I know and have taken advantage of it in the past few years. The hand over the heart is fine, but the salute feels more comfortable...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 12:53 am:

Huh, I seem to recall being told at Ft. Dix when I came home from West Germany in 1988, that I was still authorized and expected to salute the flag whenever I came within 6 paces of a flag or flag pole with a flag flying.

And I have done just that over the years on many occassion.

I remember growing up on the air force bases. It didn't matter where you were or what you were doing, if you were within earshot of the music being played as the flag was lowered for the day, you were expected to stop what you were doing and face in the direction of base HQ and salute or put your hand over your heart.

Very cool.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 05:01 am:

Thanks for the reminder Joe. Dave(Viet Nam vet,'70-'71)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 09:35 am:

"Welcome Home Brother" Dave.
Dennis
Viet Nam USAF 66-67
I too salute the flag, though I've been questioned about it by 'civilians' in the past. I just tell them "I'm a Vet, I can do this by law". You'd be surprised how many other Vets don't know about this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 10:22 am:

I did not know and am embarrassed to say to.
Navy 72-97
Viet Nam and beyond (never in-country)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 10:43 am:

It was not too widely publicized when it happened, I think. I read about it in The American Legion magazine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Cascisa - Poulsbo, Washington on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 11:40 am:

I need NO-ONES permission to salute the flag.

Be_Zero_Be
Vietnam '69-'70


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By grady l puryear on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 12:22 pm:

Mr Danial has it right, at least as far as us older Veterans are concerned, the word was "If you are within earshot or eyesight as the Flag is being lowered for the day, you are expected to stop what you are doing, face in the direction of the Flag or Base HQ and salute". I was never aware that I needed anyone's permission to salute the Flag. The Membership of our local Veterans Club also hand salute the Flag when we do the Pledge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 06:08 pm:

Grady,

Don't forget to get out of the car first. That was the form at Ft Eustis in 1970-72.

Tom, Corps of Engineers, USAR


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 09:00 pm:

Tom, I went through two CH47 Chinook helicopter maintenance schools at Fort Eustis in '69 and '70. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 09:49 pm:

And no more crotch salutes to our flag by our C. in Chief.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 10:07 pm:

Other one of The Greatest Generation, was laid to rest, today. My sister and I were adopted. Her Uncle Lloyd Bryant, served in Europe as an ambulance driver. Once when told to retreat, he denied orders and drove his ambulance into enemy fire, and although suffering wounds, himself, he carried sixteen more severely injured men on his shoulders to his ambulance before retreating. for this, he earned a silver star and by war's end had every medal but the Medal of Honor. After the war, he was told by doctor's to get a low stress job, so he became a firefighter with the Texas Forest Service.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 12:28 am:

I suppose you really believe crap like that, Terry. It boggles the mind.

And then you follow it up with a great post about a true hero.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 12:40 am:

Another thread I take off the tracker.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 12:43 am:

R.D., I would expect this comment from a Democrat, but the pictures of the C in C not saluting at the Flag or the playing of the National Anthem are either very good Photo Shop pictures, or there's some truth to it. As for the C.in C., I can't control how he chooses to salute. I just care how I choose to salute.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 02:22 am:

"..or there's some truth to it."

If any part is a lie, it's all a lie. Check Snopes or any other fact check, and you will see those were faked. I checked years ago when it first came out. I can just imagine somebody gets paid pretty well to create crap like that. Considering the money involved, it's only just begun, I'm afraid.

Your calling me a Democrat is almost as bad as calling me a Republican. I take offense to that.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 07:18 am:

Ralph, I did just check snopes and it says it's true?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
In fact, there's a video there demonstrating that the National Anthem was being played and some woman was doing the typical (soul music) butcher job of singing it. :-( (would snopes 'photoshop' a video).
As for the Democrat/ Republican thing, have no fear. I wouldn't insult you by calling you a Democrat, you're just a typical Liberal. Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, Van Jones, Bill Ayres, 'Blago' (and Barack Obama) are (Chicago Values) Democrats.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 07:32 am:

Thank You, Dennis for following this up for me. Case and point, made and verified.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 08:54 am:

Terry, when I'm not playing with my cars (which is what I'd much rather talk about on this site), I'm a Viet Nam Vet, I work in a military museum and I'm a 'right wing political activist'. Something I've made no bones about admitting in the past.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 09:07 am:

OH NO!! :-)

Much of this thread is going to get eradicated by the PC police.

As for me I PROUDLY stand with my hand over my heart during the National Anthem where ever I am.
This includes the Friday nights I am in the tower at the speedway.
When I do this - I remember those that gave their time, body parts, and lives for My (our) freedom.

Anyone that dosen't show respect for those that gave so much don't deserve the protection they have been given.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 10:36 am:

My mistake; I thought this thread was about saluting the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. Note, the others are not all facing the same direction. Like Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat."

I'd rather the politicians in our employ uphold their pledge to the Constitution than to the Grover Norquist pledge of No New Taxes.

Did you bother to read this? http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

If caring for my fellow Americans makes me a liberal, then I'm proud of the label. Bottom line: do you think it's okay for many Americans, including children, to starve while the rich rig the game to make themselves even richer beyond all reason?

Bring back the Eisenhower era 92% max tax rate, when America was really prosperous.

rdr
Draftee, US Army 1965-67. I will salute the flag from now on, thanks to the original post.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 10:51 am:

The Chick-fil-A Mirror
· Dr. James Emery White
Every now and then an event comes along that offers a unique reflection of our world. A mirror, if you will, of what our culture has become.
One took place this past week through the catalyst of three words from the CEO of a restaurant chain:
“Guilty as charged.”
Dan Cathy, president and chief operating officer of Chick-fil-A, gave an interview to Baptist Press. Correctly saying that there is no such thing as a “Christian business,” he did offer that organizations such as his can operate on biblical principles “asking God and pleading with God to give us wisdom on decisions we make about people and the programs and partnerships we have.”
Then came the match that lit the fire.
When asked about the company’s support of the traditional family, Cathy simply said, “Well, guilty as charged.”
He then went on to say, “We are very much supportive of the family – the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business … our restaurants are typically led by families. … We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families.”
Gasp! How dare he say that when it comes to families, his support goes with the historic, traditional understanding of millennia that reflects his Judeo-Christian values.
At least that seemed to be the collective response from such cultural epicenters as the media.
The Baptist Press interview was picked up by the Huffington Post, Associated Press, USAToday, Los Angeles Timesand more – most with the phrase “anti-gay” in the headline – fueled by the “revelation” that the privately-owned business donated to Christian groups that opposed homosexuality.
(Of course, overlooked were the millions of dollars Chick-fil-A gives each year to other charitable causes. For example, they fund foster care programs, schools of higher learning, and children’s camps. They provide scholarships for the employees to attend college, and this past Friday, they provided free meals for the police force in Aurora, Colo.)
Many on twitter and in the blogosphere immediately labeled them a hate group.
Yes, a hate group.
Then the mayor of Boston vowed to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city because it is a business “that discriminates against a population.”
The Jim Henson Company of Kermit and Miss Piggy fame said they will stop providing toys for the fast food chain’s kids’ meals because the company won’t endorse same-sex marriage. They plan on donating money already received from Chick-fil-A to the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD).
Ed Helms, star of the sitcom The Office, publicly promised a personal boycott.
Okay, let’s put our big-boy pants on for a minute.
Cathy never uttered the words “anti-gay” in the interview. All he did was state, when pointedly asked, his support for the traditional family as outlined in the Bible.
Further, the company made it clear following Cathy’s comments that they had no intention of entering the policy debate over same-sex marriage, and that the Chick-fil-A “culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect – regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender.”
And indeed, there has never even been a hint of discrimination in Chick-fil-A’s history.
So Chick-fil-A is not a hate group, does not discriminate, and is not actively working in the realm of public policy.
It just has personal core values.
But my, what a mirror this has provided, and the reflection is worth noting in detail.
Fifty years ago, any support of homosexual practice would have ended your business. Now, the threat to your business is support of the traditional family.
It is a fascinating progression that has taken place in American culture.
First, classical Christian orthodoxy was marginalized.
Second, it became ostracized.
Third, it became demonized.
Fourth, it became penalized.
And now the move would seem to be to have it criminalized.
Defining discrimination as disagreement, and then disagreement as a hate crime, is one of the more frightening developments of our time.
But developed it has.
As the Baptist Press reporter has since said of the tempest over Cathy’s remarks, “I don’t understand why that’s a bad thing all of a sudden. It was not an anti-gay statement. It was a pro-family statement.”
But that’s the point.
That’s the reflection given to us in this mirror.
Welcome to our world.
James Emery White


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 05:08 pm:

Ralph, anybody who posts here and doesn't know that you and I are never going to agree about 'political' hasn't been paying attention. I'm not going to go on and on about your snopes post and whether Obama "refused" to put his his hand over his heart or wear a flag pin. In the event I documented, he simply didn't and I'll leave it at that.
I do however sincerely believe that if we would ever to meet that we could restrict our conversations to cars, weather and sports for at least 5 or 10 minutes anyway. :-)
Keep up the good fight though, that's what makes this country the greatest country on the planet, the right to free expression. If every believed the way you do or the way I do, it would be Iran.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 06:08 pm:

Dennis, a group of about ten of us who were stationed together at Little Rock AFB decided four years ago to have a reunion, along with wives if applicable. We had such a good time that we decided to do it every two years. After the first in Colorado Springs in 2007, we were in Portland Maine in 2009 and San Francisco in 2011. Next year, we will be in Chapel Hill NC.

One of the group is one of the most liberal people I know, as is his wife. Anja and I tend to be pretty conservative. Stu and I go tooth and nail about politics in e-mails, but at the reunion, there is an absolute moratorium on political discussion. Everyone reminisces, we bring each other up to date, we talk about all kinds of interesting topics, but no politics. Works great!


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