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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: "Finest in Reproduction Parts"
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 11:08 pm:

I ordered a new small upswept Gull Wing cap yesterday and it came in the mail today from Chaffins! WoW what great service! It was made by Vintique the suppliers to most of the T parts vendors. The box states Finest Repo auto parts...

When I got it out of the box my admiring was very short as I noticed the hole was drilled OFFCENTER for the motometer. I called Dave back and he checked the others in stock and yup they were all machined incorrectly. Made in China

I chucked it up in my lathe and took some cuts to clean up the inside and then elongated the hole about 1/8 inch to center my meter.

This new bird reduced the weight of the cap and meter by 7 oz and it looks great. I hope it flys straight and Dave or Glen notifies Vintique that their part is defective.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 11:51 pm:

I ordered a gull wing cap that was made by Vintique and it was pretty much worthless because the threads were not correct. It would only catch one loose thread. I sent it back.

I don't think the hole was exactly in the center either but that would not have effected the function.

More pictures at:
http://www.pbase.com/jimthode/rad_cap
Jim



This is a photo of the cap setting in the radiator neck with no threads engaged.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill in Adelaida Calif on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 12:27 am:

Wait til you buy one of their Sr Motometers. One of the tapped screw holes in the main body for the 4 screws that holds the outer ring with the wreath pattern is too large and the screw will be loose in the wrapping paper. I have seen several with this issue.

Bill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Patterson, OZ on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 01:19 am:

Gene,
The exact same thing happened to me....just that it was 9 years ago now.
Dog bone with the centre hole drilled off centre, and from Chaffins. I just elongated the hole.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT J STEINER on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 07:10 am:

The parts sellers assume that all parts that is reproduced is correct..wrong!!!! they don't know a correct quality made correct part is it was handed to them..Its all about sales..It doesn't matter if it is a Model T, V-8 Ford, 55-57 Chevy, Mopar its all cheaply bad repops. Besides these cars were built in America so these reproduction parts should be also!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 07:26 am:

Robert,

To say that "They don't know a correct quality part if it was handed to them...It's all about sales" is an incorrect statement.
You must be dealing with different vendors then I am! Most if not all of the Model T vendors that I deal with have always handled any of my concerns promptly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT J STEINER on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 08:26 am:

Dennis,consumer concerns are different from parts made incorrect from China and passed onto retailers then to the customers that get frustrated with parts that don't fit. The suppliers won't do anything about it because they ordered 10,000 parts or more and they are not going to get stuck with it. pass it on
"DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME" Thats how we build parts in our shop
We won't buy anything for resale until it meets our quality specs. thats how we operate. If it doesn't fit,or made to spec, or the quality is below standard we don't want it. They can keep it or escort it to the scrap yard.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 10:19 am:

Time to harp a bit...

If the product were a licensed product, it would mean that the vendor were building to an original print and then and only then can we blame QC at point of manufacture. A supplied sketch with an arrow and "1/2 hole here' doesn't work, or sending a sample of something already beat to death with a 'same as this' doesn't work either.

Sure, a licensed product will cost more as FoMoCo needs their 'cut' but I for one would gladly pay the difference to know it could be 'made to original print'.

It's not just China, it is everywhere else too that is defined as 'developing'. Make one, fully inspect, pass and advise, and the 1000 that follow will be consistently consistent is my own experience in buying from China, or Mexico, or Eastern Block or even "Sammy's Machine Shop" in El Paso.

Actually, we really should ask the vendors to supply American made alternatives and if they cost more, let us decide. There are a host of reasons and not just national pride. We are the only system in the world that still makes to imperial numbers, these other guys need to do metric equivalent and '0's get dropped when they do, using a metric built screw machine to generate imperial threads is a challenge so they figure out how to do it on a lathe, usually a really old one. Finally, even with a drawing in hand...the vendor should redraw the manufacturing drawing before sending it to wherever as we are also now the only system in the world that 'draws' in the convention that we do, the rest of the world draws in mirror image style!

Simple things yes, but always learning curve stuff and why any 'import' needs to be re-drawn from several views and in the right convention for the maker. The answer is really 'why bother' just get it made here and cut all the hassle involved...'they' tell us parts would then be 50-60% more and while that's a chunk I'd be willing to pay it for something that is 'right' out of the box on something where dimensional control is keen.

Truth is as others have also discovered, there is a lot of stuff that needs to be reworked to 'fit' right and it is not all the one part fits all years for convenience 'stuff'.

Want an example? Complete new Bendix assemblies! "They" have been working on that issue for several years now apparently still without full resolve. My own answer is, "What's to resolve? License it, make a new drawing, add the 'stuff' that was implied shop knowledge as notes, and anyone, anywhere, can actually 'make it to the print'. So now grubby ones in the bottom of boxes or oil pots at flea markets go for 45-75 and are getting scarcer each outing. Make it here if it is that much of a hassle and if the price needs to go to 170 a set to do so...what is there to debate? Just DO IT!

Flywheel 'stuff' with 1/4-24 taps and now special screws is another example of 'get it wrong the first time' and a bandaid cure that really doesn't help us as a group cure.

Some may be surprised to hear this from me for other reasons, but I AM serious..either go there wherever is and show them exactly what you want and need, or buy from what are called 1st tier Chinese suppliers who know how to work with 'Imperial' and know how to read American drawings...or admit you have your head up your butt on it and have it made here, to print. I for one know the drill...know these outsourced parts are being made by 2nd tier and 3rd tier companies who do not have a staff as such, and worse yet know the mark-ups on the pass through's to the final vendors for this 'crap'. Cast iron delivered Asia port is only 55.2 cents a pound from the 2nd tier and 3rd tier guys, from the 1st tier guys that price has to be 70.8 cents a pound minimum. I'm not prejudiced, there IS a reason! HELLO? Chinese suppliers are morally obligated to tell you and prove to you what 'tier' they are in and if they refuse? By default 3rd tier! Chinese know how to 'buy' in their own system, we just seem to have trouble accepting that a tier system can even exist.

We need to keep the pressure on and if on forum, so be it. Guys like our normal re-sellers want to do us a service, a good service, but are at the mercy of saying they stock the best stuff that they can get. Others say never bash a vendor on forum, we need them because there is nothing else and that is most definitely true...but somehow the semantics don't jive with these two statements in many cases and the only way is to let them know each part that needs rework or just is totally unacceptable. Funny, they are in business to be in business, got that? Let them know discreetly at first, they will get the message I'm sure.

Apologize for wasting band-width here...but there are solutions at hand, we just need to make folks understand. Don't accept 'junk'.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT J STEINER on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 10:45 am:

We are a manufacture of car parts for the Antique Car Hobby.As far as supplying the supplier/retailer & when it comes to buying at the wholesale rate they want it next to nothing and reselling it for big bucks. They don't care where it comes from or if its a good or bad reproduction. Its all about the $$$$$ bucks $$$$$. We get calls all the time on prices on the stuff that we manufacture and believe me if they can save a (1) penny they will switch suppliers for a cheaply made part


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 11:40 am:

I think they have a hard time translating our measurements into whatever they use in their country.

Same goes for Jeans. I got two pair supposed to be 36 inch waist. They are at least 38. The pull tab for the zipper is very long but the zipper is short. The tab must be made of pot metal, because it soon broke off from both pairs.

I think it would be a good idea for ALL imported products to be quality inspected, and the cost of the inspection billed to the manufacturer.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 12:38 pm:

Exactly, Norm. I have been calling for 100% inspection of imports - paid by the importers - for years. A zipper in a pair of pants pales in comparison to formeldahyde that it may have, or contaminated seafood or medicines.

Most medicines are imported, and a lot of generic ones are not even backed up by a domestic company, meaning you have zero recourse if they poison you. Mislabeled drugs are rampant. Did your medicine stop helping? Maybe it's because...

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 01:54 pm:

Back to T parts

George you for sure didn't waste any band width here with a fine explaination.

Robert, I do not agree with your comments while they may be true about some vendors, It has been my experience and that of many others that the T vendors in general Do want to supply us quality parts and at a reasonable price whatever that is.

I did not want my comments to reflect negatively on the quality or service that Chaffins delivers. Glen and Dave provide the T hobby with a great source of parts and accessories to keep our cars on the road running reliably. You can be assured if this was a part that was made for Chaffin directly it would be corrected, unfortunately Vintique supplies this same part to many of our vendors and like stated they probably have 1,000's of them on the shelf.
Fortunately this was not something I could not fix easily but I'm sure many of you have found parts that turned out to be a real headache.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 02:05 pm:

The Chinese are perfectly capable of making near perfect parts, as good as can be made anywhere.

The problem is when someone like Vintiques accepts poorly made products and then resells them at a profit. They are responsible for quality of the parts made for them, regardless of country of origin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT J STEINER on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 02:52 pm:

Chaffins and other T parts catalog retailers do deliver great service to their customers but it the suppliers that don't have some of their reproductions check out to make sure that they meet all specs on how they fit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 06:29 pm:

I, probably for the first time, agree with Royce: China, India, Pakistan for that matter, will give you exactly what you want in the quality you want, if you are willing to pay for that quality.

In my case, military reproductions, the it's not the quality of the product, it's how many you have to buy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike peterson on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 08:06 pm:

so u want to inspect all imports, just what the heck are u going to inspect them for?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 08:11 pm:

Lots of things...
one example:
many insects have found their way onto our shores - insects which are causing great economic and aesthetic dismay.

RD - your turn!

Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 08:27 pm:

Inspect all imports for:

1. hazardous materials, such as a dirty bomb

2. contraband

3. contaminants

4. conformity to stated ingredients.

Remember the tainted pet food a few years ago? There is a simple test that cannot distinguish protein from melamine, a poison. A more sophisticated test will catch it.

Tainted heparin sickened and may have killed many hospital patients five years ago. Baxter labs was importing the ingredients from a pig farm in the bowels of the ChiCom republic.

Mississippi is the only state to test imported seafood, and they reject over half of it for all kinds of contaminants.

Mislabeled pills are a common occurrence. You may be prescribed an analgesic, but getting an anal suppository.

How about inspecting imported tires to the same standard as US made tires? It may be your trailer - or your T - that does flips when a defective tire rots from the inside and blows.

We inspect maybe only 1% of imports, and that inspection is paid by the taxpayer, instead of the importer who should be paying.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 08:35 pm:

deadly sheetrock


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT J STEINER on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 08:42 pm:

When I worked for a big company any products that was outsourced was inspected before it became one of the companys product. If it didn't meet their specs it was rejected immediately no exceptions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Patterson, OZ on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 08:53 pm:

A great number of model T's that are on the road today, wouldn't be, if it wasn't for reproduction parts.
Mine is one of them and the car I'm building now is likely to be another.
I mentioned before that I had a problem with a dog-bone that had the centre hole drilled off centre. It was just one of dozens of reproduction parts on this car.....and as far as I can remember, it was the only piece that wasn't quite up to scratch.
By the way, what makes you think that EVERYTHING made in the USofA is perfect?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ROBERT J STEINER on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 09:07 pm:

Rob.
your quote:
By the way, what makes you think that EVERYTHING made in the USofA is perfect?

It so perfect here in the states that all the jobs left to china, india, mexico..now brazil is ramping up again


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Allen Vitko on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 09:18 pm:

Got mail a few days ago on Fords assembly plant in Brazil. Sub assembly parts are manufactured in the plant. The engineers and assembly workers eat at the same table working out issues. Guess its one of the largest and most modern in the world.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 09:57 pm:

Paul......I predict that plant will also be the most successful plant too....... :-)
Something American big shi.....er.....shots should think about!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike peterson on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 11:08 pm:

we have all that stuff in the items we make in the good old USA, we cant inspect our stuff that we make very well how are we gonna inspect the stuff we import, no matter how your idea looks on paper, what do u think would happen if we stopped importing stuff, inflation would be so high, your head would spin. u think gas is high just think if we stopped importing oil, and fruit, we cant produce enough fruit in this country for ourselves


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 07:32 am:

The stuff we import, WE SHOULD BE MAKING OURSELVES!!! Screw everyone else....before they screw us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike peterson on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 07:53 am:

yep we should, but it anit gonna happen, hell, u a lot of the T parts are imported, and u continue to buy them


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 08:22 am:

"we cant inspect our stuff that we make very well how are we gonna inspect the stuff we import.." Some of us can't inspect our own writing very well, either, I guess. Will some crap sneak through 100% inspection? Guaranteed; but when we inspect only 1%, 99% can sneak through.

If we weren't importing $7 for every dollar we export, they say the average wage would be like $90K/yr, enough to pay more for what we buy. We have lost about 8 million manufacturing jobs since 1979.

Inspecting imported crude would be a drop in the bucket for cost. Inspecting seafood and medicines would be a lot higher cost percentage-wise, and that cost would be borne by the importer.

The ChiComs have about 80% of the vitamin C market, because they made it a takeover target, just as they have with solar panels and a lot of other industries. Once they control the market, the price goes back up, just as any monopoly.

You wanna' produce Ipads? You gotta' do it in Communist China, because they control the rare earth metals these devices use. Not that the turncoat Jobs needed any incentive other than cheapest source.

What manufactured product can't we produce here?

Wish I could find an update of this:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brendan Doughty on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 08:40 am:

The national club should have a consumer report section in each issue of the magazine on one or two parts where they are compared to originals.
Every time I suggest this I get shot down by the folks with a dog in the fight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:03 am:

Brendon, I think we have just that watchdog group here on the forum. Its informal but any one anticipating a parts purchase is welcome to ask questions here and will usually get more information than the National club could ever hope to provide.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 11:00 am:

Here is the US trade balance up to 2010:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 11:13 am:

I had a bunch of those and sold them for $20 each at the Long Beach Swap Meet. some were drilled for motometers and some were not. Also have a few of the chromed necks left. They sell for $90 and mine are $50.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Allen Vitko on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 03:19 pm:

I wonder how much American manufacturing is hamstrung with litigation caused with overweight governing and lawyers waiting in the bush to find something wrong but as a retired builder talking to engineers and good builders barely hanging on now I am happy to be retarded after fifty years in the trade.

Think it time to clean house in DC


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 04:31 pm:

Ok guys let's not turn this into another ET Feedback thread...
My post was only to alert someone else that if they are considering a new radiator cap to be aware. Also I had hoped others might have added to the list of known parts with such discrepancies.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:59 pm:

Why do you guys pollute the threads with this noise?

Another thread removed from the tracker.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 11:21 pm:

The gullwing cap is just one example of a much larger problem. I thought it was being discussed rationally here...

Now do you want to talk about soft triple gear bushings in this thread?

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Baker on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:24 am:

I would like to thank the vendors. If it wasn't for them I would not have gotten my T going 2 years ago for the first time since 42 when my grandfather parked it. The most recent part I purchased was the new repro cam lever for the rear emergency brake, fits perfect! Thanks James Baker


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:52 am:

Ah Ha !! that explains why the new gull wing motometer l purchased for my wifes 26 Tudor, wont fit in the radiator, l thought it was just worn, but the cap fits perfectly.
Is there a screw in sleeve available to make the gullwing fit tightly ??? l guess not..
David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:59 am:

David,
If you want one to fit, buy a vintage one.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill in Adelaida Calif on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 12:37 pm:

I know of some vendors (non-T) that have flawed parts and keep selling them because they don't want to or cannot afford to toss em and take the loss. They plan to fix the problem next time.
Current case in point is an AC branded and properly licensed by GM radiator cap that is stamped 7#. It has the wrong spring in it and won't release until 20#. The vendor that had it made claims there is no problem with the cap but the generic replacement one they also carry actually does release at 7#. I discovered this when I was helping someone diagnose why the lower rad hose on his car kept blowing off after he shut the engine off.

Bill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:53 am:

Petco recalls stainless pet bowls:

"One recent recall is by far, one of the most bizarre: Stainless steel pet food bowls made by a foreign manufacturer and shipped for sale here in the United States and may have been contaminated with radioactive material."

Mebbe that's a trial run for a dirty bomb??

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 03:08 am:

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about dirty bombs (= local effects only, biggest problems are the psychological effects) when so many psychos already has conventional weapons out there..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 03:15 am:

Sorry about the OT - on the subject of repro parts I'd like to say to the dealers - please don't pass on your bad luck with your suppliers to your customers, thanks. If something doesn't work, then it shouldn't be sold. Thanks for supplying all the parts that do work, though :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 06:07 am:

I have supplied a few small stainless bowls with the parrot perches I make and sell. Does anybody know where I can get access to a radiation meter? Stainless that rusts is bad enough, but radiation?

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 06:42 am:

glow in the dark parrots???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 07:24 am:

radiation meter, like a geiger counter? eBay has a lot of options as always :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 10:15 am:

Ralph,

Most people don't know it but 304 grade Stainless WILL rust if exposed to iron. What I don't know is whether iron in the water itself will do it :-)

Then again, as far as any radiation contamination you might be on to something...Nice bold colored Parrots that show florescent at dusk...lol

Has California outlawed antique watches with self illuminated dials yet? Sorry, not needling at all, just a curious question that came to mind with your comments.

I bought something last week that was was actually unfinished wood ( a new wood country style screen door for the porch and had it shipped from CA) and benign as heck I would have thought, yet it had the "California has determined...." sticker on it. Drove me nuts and then dawned on me....MAYBE...fiberglas based screens?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 11:23 am:

FYI - Stainless steel is not rustproof. Under aggressive enough conditions such as MIL STD salt fog, untreated stainless can rust like crazy.

To increase rust resistance, stainless (CRES - Corrosion Resistant) steel must be passivated or electro-polished. Each alloy of Stainless Steel has a specific chemical process to passivate, and ultimately, there are some alloys which can be made quite corrosion resistant, and there are others which can be a real bear to passivate completely. Passivation removes the surface layer of material which will corrode, but it's still lurking underneath the surface...Connectors are particularly bad, where threads get scuffed during installation and torque...rust will percolate out of the threads and no where else in certain conditions.

Additionally, passivated stainless will loose its resistance to corrosion if scratched or machined with tool steel. It's the iron in the alloy which corrodes, not iron in water.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 02:47 pm:

Well,...okay,....as long as this thread has gone as far astray as it has, I'll add a bit more to throw it further "off course":

The discussion about stainless steel prompts a question. First, an explanation. My Dad's been gone for 17 years now, but I still retain a lot that he taught me. Dad's "test" for quality stainless steel pretty much consisted of use of a little magnet he often carried with him, especially when shopping at marine supply stores for "stainless steel" marine hardware.

I've finally got out of my mind the thought that Dad instilled in me that good quality stainless steel can always be detected by determining how it reacts (or DOES NOT react) to a magnet. I think that back in those days, the "magnet test" was pretty valid, however, I've found that nowadays, there are many things made of stainless steel that "flunk" the "magnetic" or "non-magnetic" test.

So here's the question; are there modern stainless steel alloys of good quality that WILL be attracted by a magnet? Or does the fact that nowadays, a magnet WILL attract some grades of stainless steel indicate inferior stainless steel?

Anybody?....George? Just wondering; thanks,....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 04:04 pm:

300 series Austinetic material will generally be non-magnetic.

400 series Martinsitic material can be hardened and can be magnetic if desired.

there really isn't a bad stainless steel, unless you desire or do not desire a particular trait.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 04:16 pm:

Thank you Scott. "Can be magnetic if desired". Guess that answers my question, but I guess I kinda' figured that out by observance here in the Puget Sound area (salt water of course) over a period of the last several years. I have seen marine hardware on boats where the obviously "stainless steel" fixture, even thought mounted on a wooden boat and not near any other metal, is very discolored by rust. Not really damaging rust that appears will eventually destroy the fixture, but just an "unsightly" rust colored stain.

Thanks again Scott,........harold


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