Springs for 1912

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Springs for 1912
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By roy palmer on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 11:59 am:

Does anyone have any photos of the correct springs , rear and front, for 1912?

Is the second to last spring notched? That's what i am seeing on all of my originals.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 09:12 pm:

Roy,

The 1909-to some time in 1916 the leaf the spring shackle attached in various ways. I.e. one style had a curled spring leaf end for the bolt holding the spring clip to the spring and another style had the spring clip riveted to the spring and the bolt went on the bottom of the spring (see page 156 Bruce McCalley’s (RIP) out of print book). That is for the spring clips (not the shackle that attached the spring to the axle but the spring clip that kept the stacked spring leaves in the proper order/not slanted.)

See: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/S-T.htm#spring which described three different styles of spring clips which would mean three slightly different springs:

1909-1915
All taper-leaf. 7 leaves in the front. 8 leaves in the rear, except for the 1911 Torpedo which used 7. Several types appeared. In one the spring clip was riveted to the leaf, with the bolt running under the spring. On another, the leaf was curled upwards and the clip bolt passed through the curl above the spring. Still another used a separate clip assembly.

Below is a photo of an original Jun 1912 Torpedo Runabout as shown on page 124 of Bruce McCalley’s (RIP) out of print book and also page 23 of the Nov – Dec 1994 “Vintage Ford.” That is what many of the springs would have looked like.





I am not quite sure what you mean by the term “second to last spring notched” recommend you post a photo showing what you mean. And do you mean on both the front and spring and is it second to the last from the bottom or from the top of the spring?

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 11:59 pm:

Roy,

Yes, the second spring is cut, not tapered on all springs from 1909 - 1927.

Typical 1909 - 1917 rear spring:



Typical 1909 - 1916 front spring:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 05:12 am:

Royce, in my experience the leaf next to the main leaf is cut as you indicate. On early springs with tapered leaves, most I have seen are not full thickness at the cut like the later springs. They look to be slightly tapered before the cut. Your photo of the rear spring clearly shows this, but it is not easily seen on the front one. Is this something common on US cars too?

Just my observation.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By roy palmer on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 08:41 am:

Yes Royce, what you show in your photo is what I find. Thats what i mean by the notched spring.





Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 10:23 am:

Alan,

Yes there is some taper ground on that leaf near where it is cut, at least on all the cars in my garage.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 09:25 am:

Apparently Ford used two manufacturers of front and rear springs. They all seem to have the dates stamped on the top leaf, but one manufacturer has the curled spring leafs, and the other does not. I've also noted that the 1909's have a tapered leaf next to the main leaf.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:16 pm:

I just looked at the 1909 - it indeed has a taper all the way to the end on every leaf.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 04:25 pm:

Hey, I'm missing the second cut spring on my Torpedo.
Suppose the lighter car had one less spring?


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