Exhaust question

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Wilson on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:16 pm:

Anyone have a picture if how the exhaust is supposed to go? My '21 came with a new exhaust pipe, but the only way it fits, it puts the muffler right in the middle of the battery box bracket. HELP


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:19 pm:

Is the exhaust on the passenger side of the engine?


What body is your T?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Wilson on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:29 pm:

yes it is - touring - my car is a collection of parts. '27 drive train, unknown frame, '21/22 body??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:35 pm:

On the 26 touring the U.S. configuration cars had the exhaust routed back on the passenger side and the battery cage on the drivers side with the driveshaft between. I know it gets a little weird with multi-year assembled cars, but it seems to me you will need to relocate the battery holder to the factory location. Can't post a photo now as I'm at work.

Anyone else have info?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Wilson on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:54 pm:

The touring did not come with a battery cage - I have the '27 battery cage.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:56 pm:

It should bolt up to the frame behind the driver, under the passenger floor board, if the batt cage you have is compatible with that frame.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Wilson on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:12 pm:

yes it will, but the exhaust pipe puts the muffler right through the middle of the battery box cage frame


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:15 pm:

Sounds like the exhaust pipe was cut back and a new hole drilled for the muffler. The front of the muffler should be about 2 or so inches behind the cross bar for the battery. There should be a hole for the back mount of the muffler a few inches in front of the rear cross member.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:25 pm:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/4721022166/in/set-72157624199518725

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/3664475784/in/set-72157620616047410

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/4309065367/in/set-72157623296187928

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/7405502026/in/set-72157627831452461


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Wilson on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:34 pm:

Even so, the exhaust pipe would still interfere with the battery cage. The exhaust pipe makes sense running where it does, with the muffler attached. The battery cage frame makes sense where it is, but, as they are they are just incompatible. The end of the exhaust pipe is just past the rear running board support, I'm using the u-channel running board supports from the '27 (as is they do not interfere). Something I have is not correct. I'm thinking the exhaust pipe was in the '27 parts I have. Even so, the rusted out pipe that came with the '21 was virtually the same. The joy of a T, with mixed parts


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Wilson on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:37 pm:

Is there an S bend that moved the muffler lower? This would make sense. It would be easy to get the parts to do it - Thanks for the input!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cecil Paoletti -- Rrnton WA on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:45 pm:

Did you install the '26 battery support so that the battery would be on the driver's side? I believe the battery support frame can be installed on the wrong side.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:54 pm:

Doug,
Make sure that the tail pipe is on top of the front running board support and below the rear running board support. The tail pipe should slope toward the rear of the car. The end of the tail pipe should be about 8" behind the rear running board support.
Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

Here is a couple of pics:




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:58 pm:

The exhaust pipe is about 55 1/2 to 56 inches long from the flare to the front of the muffler.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Wilson on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 09:12 pm:

The battery cage can only be installed with the battery on the driver's side, There is only one hole in the frame on the passenger side, and two on the drives side so that it will fit perfect, or at least it will with a little bending to get it back into shape, it is about 3/4's of inch too wide as it is now. The exhaust pipe of course is new, and appears to have been cut short, even so, it extends beyond the rear running board support. It will not fit under the rear running board support. as there is interference with the hog's head. and it wants to run at an angle too close to the drive shaft when I put it under the running board support. Above the running board support it runs perpendicular to the frame.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 09:36 pm:

Even the new repos should run like the photos. Leave the pack nut loose so you can jiggle everything while you bolt the muffler to the frame, then tighten the pack nut. They are a bit of a fuss but will fit. If you don't have the angled part just right they do want to run along the frame.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 09:50 pm:

Doug,
The tail or exhaust pipe is the same from 09-27 and they need to slope down to the rear of the car. If yours does not now because of some hogshead interference is may be time to get the torch out and do some bending to make it fit like it has to (as in the photos).
Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Hoshield on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 10:41 pm:

It was nice of the fellow in the bottom flicker photo of Erich's post to lay his vehicle down for us for the belly shot... but I hope the driver was OK!

A curiosity ... what are the chances of the exhaust drop pipes being pre-bent correctly from most of the vendors? Mine looks like had been bent up manually quite a bit to fit. It needs to be replaced anyway, as it kinda looks like rusty swiss cheese ...

Doug .. do you also have a new packing nut?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 11:00 pm:

Doug, I come at fitting exhaust pipes from a different end. I leave the pack nut at the manifold loose so the pipe is not fixed up tight. I mount the muffler in the correct place and then I can see if the pipe is the correct length. Once that is fixed I fit the pipe and then check if the flare mates up with the manifold.
If the manifold is slightly bent, and most are, and the flare is slightly mis-aligned, tightening it up will mean the pipe can be way off at the back.
It is essential that the flare and manifold match neatly.If they don't it must be remedied. If the packnut is used to pull the pipe into line, the manifold will be under stress and be more likely to bend as it heats and cools in use.

Hope this helps.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Harris (Napier, NZ) on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 12:41 am:

Doug,
is your car left hand drive or right hand drive?


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