What Is This Car Amongst the Fords?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Stokes on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 07:35 am:

Hello All,

I've just been given a newspaper cutting which has used a photo I want to use in my book. The photo is shown below. It is of a Ford dealership in the wealthy Waikato dairy farming area. Little was known about the photo but the newspaper provides some more info.



The dealership principal (Wallace) is standing 4th from left, in the hat. Unfortunately he is also standing in front of the only non-Ford in the picture! Therefore, if the pic is used, we should really identify what sort of car it is!

Below is a closeup of the car I hope you can help me identify please?



Your help, as always, is appreciated.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 07:46 am:

Call it a Lincoln. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Holcomb, Watertown WI on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 08:35 am:

From the look of the hubcap, the headlights, and the cowl,
I'll guess Dodge brothers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman Miller on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 09:04 am:

I think this Lincoln is closeLincoln


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 10:26 am:

It is a '26 Dodge touring. Nowhere near large enough to consider Lincoln as a possibility.

Click here:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Dodge_Touring_1926.jpg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Manuel Voyages, ACT Australia on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 11:03 pm:

My guess would be Dodge. They were just as popular as Fords in Oz.
Don't know about Kiwiland tho.

Manuel in Oz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By wayne tomlins on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 02:37 am:

This photo already has appeared in Ford Ahead by Roger Gardiner. All about Ford in NZ.
When will your book come out??
That odd car does look to be a Dodge.










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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Stokes on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 03:29 am:

Thanks to all for the input.
Dodge makes sense, because Wallace had been a Dodge dealer - but that doesn't make the car a Dodge, of course.
Wayne, Roger Gardner has given me the photo for use, but I really want a better quality version. It is a great photo, though, and it has some relevance for the subject.
Thanks again to you all.
John Stokes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bede Cordes, New Zealand on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 04:07 am:

John,

Mr Wallace is obviously standing in front of it to make people dodge the Dodge because he can afford to sell Fords.

I'm also curious on the eta of your book ?

Regards,
Bede


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Stokes on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 08:51 am:

To answer the questions about the book, the short answer is, it's coming. The long answer is as follows.

A couple of years ago I had three people read the manuscript. Chris Dyer, who many of you know through the Club, was one of them. Chris is an avid reader, he is well read on Ford history and he does know the technical aspects of the Model T.

Chris' view was that the book (88,000 words) was technically correct but needed to focus more on the NZ story. He felt there was too much on what happened elsewhere.

Of the other two opinions, one was from a retired civil engineer in Cambridge, Jim Wilkinson, who has strong Ford connections – he really liked the book as is. The last one was from a friend in Auckland, Stephen Rainbow, who is passionate about Ford but mainly the 60's onwards - I wanted his view because I thought it was part of the Ford history he didn’t know so much about. Sure enough, he enjoyed reading about the earlier days of Ford, and it appealed to him as a social history too – but he would like to have seen more NZ content.

About the same time I met with Harper Collins, who want to publish the book, but when the economy is improved. The reason for that is that they believe the book only has a limited market in New Zealand.

So at that point I decided to listen to act upon what two of those critics had said - to get more NZ content in there. Quite how I was going to do this I wasn't sure. But we found ways! Over that time I have sourced a huge amount of NZ material and spliced it in. I have also removed a lot of content that relates to the US, because that is easily available in other publications. However I have kept a lot on Ford of Canada, as it relates to their overseas markets - specifically New Zealand. There is also some mention of Australia and England, as it also relates to what was happening here. I believe to do the story justice those elements need to be there.

I am indebted to the three critics who have laboured through the manuscript and provided honest and considered opinions. The changes that have been made as a result have made for a far better book.

The book covers the period from the start of motoring in this country to the end of the Model T era, with an epilogue which shows what happened to Model Ts through the next decades. It is not a technical book. It is more of a social history that sets out to show the part the Ford played in the great number of changes in society during that time, which is well reflected in the selection of photographs.

The final judge, however, will be the reader.

I am shortly to approach Harper Collins again and, if they still feel the market is too slow, I shall seek other options.

Thank you for asking.
John Stokes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 10:00 am:

Here is a photo of a '25 Dodge. Looks like the car pictured with the more narrow, lower split windshield, the 6 lug rim with 12 spokes and the can type headlights. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 10:02 am:

Sorry to be contrary, but the radiator shell looks like Buick. It's too bad we can't have Mr. Wallace step aside and show us the radiator emblem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:24 pm:

Dodge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:35 pm:

I would say 1924 or earlier Dodge because of the size of the wheels and tires.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 02:23 pm:

Still looks like a 26 Dodge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 03:15 pm:

Don't trust your lyin' eyes. A Lincoln makes for a better story. . . :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 06:06 pm:

I agree that it is a Series 116 Dodge.

However, because of the wheel size my opinion is that it is a 1924.

1926 Dodges have smaller wheels with huskier spokes.

Don't know how the actual diameter of the tires compares between and 1924 and 1926.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bede Cordes, New Zealand on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 05:42 am:

John,

thanks very much for your explaination. I sure do look forward to reading your book in the future.

Regards,
Bede


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Stokes on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 07:38 am:

Bede - I look forward to you reading it too, and I sure do look forward to being relieved of the monkey around my neck.
John


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