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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 08:09 pm:

I am attempting to write a story about how we played football in the street in San Pedro when I was a boy and tried to find out how wide Aldine Court was.

No matter how I phrase my message I get the note : : the internet has stopped working.

Are we so afraid of the ^$$ #o73$ that we can't look up information on the internet?

I can find out how much sugar to put in a cake or how much pepper to put in a stew, but can not find out how wide my street was in 1944.


Can anyone else get technical information about geographic specifications ?


I asked how wide is a city street, answer: internet has stopped working. I asked distance bewteen two lots : Answer internet has stopped working.



Please vote carefully and get our country back please please please. Try to get something technical off of the net. . . . . . just try.


Let me know if you can find out the width of a residential street. Thanks It doesn't have to be Aldine Court.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 08:16 pm:

I'm sorry Frank, we can't help you, the internet has stopped working. And if you persist with your current direction, we'll be forced too make some adjustments regarding your curiosities.

And if you must know the street is wide enough to go from curb to curb.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Hoffman - Gold Country of Calif. on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

According to US codes:

The minimum width of the pavement of major streets shall be sixty-four (64) feet; of secondary streets, forty (40) feet; and of minor streets, thirty-four (34) feet; all measured between the faces of curbs. The minimum width of alleys, private ways and divided streets, shall be twenty (20) feet, measured between the curbs, separating strip, or other limitations to the traveled way. The minimum width of islands or dividing strips in divided street shall be three (3) feet when no electroliers are located therein and six (6) feet when such obstructions exist. (1941 Code § 1997 (2), Ord. 541, (1953))

Not sure if that can vary from state to state though.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_wide_is_a_street#ixzz23fN5mogs


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:11 pm:

Whoa Chuck, aren't there chances the particular San Pedro street he's talking about aren't at code. I think it's important now we go to San Pedro and measure that street. And if it's not to your posted code we immediately correct it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:15 pm:

Just make up something. Someone will come back and tell you how wrong you were and give you the right information.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:29 pm:

Great idea Gary. I'm sure there's a few uptight people on here who'd feel it important to take the time to make sure he's correct within +/- .0001". But then if they did that we'd have someone check the calibration on the tape measure and after that an "Error of Measurement" study would have to be done to verify the gage is within 10% of the allotted tolerance and if it's not, then we have to locate a capable gage and we'll be sure to open a whole new can of worms doing that because those dang guys at Brown and Sharpe can't be trusted to give us the straight scoop on the accuracy and repeatability of their gages. So once again we have to do an error of measurement all over again. Instead couldn't we just talk to the engineers about a deviation to their specifications and then make an Engineering Change to the Codes? I'm not sure we should "just make up something".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:40 pm:

Frank
Back when cars were narrower (teens and Twenties) cities used the width of 30 FT from curb to curb then later 40 FT was standard.
Here in Seattle in the older areas they haven't been widened, There are streets that with modern cars parked on both sides I'm scared that I'll hit the mirrors driving through, even today.
Hope this might help, I think you would be safe using ether of the numbers.
Here is some pictures of steam powered boats I saw last weekend. There were 18 there and the stern wheeler was out on a run and I didn't get a pic

Bob

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Orlando Ortega Jr. on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:21 pm:

Frank,

Every city and town has their own adoption of codes and zoning. I would recommend you go to your City Hall and research it the old fashioned way. You might find what you’re looking for.

Orlando


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 10:36 pm:

Frank, I know from my deed our private Old Pirate Lane is technically 40 feet wide, all 40 feet on my property, but it's actually narrower. The high priced tenements they built next door on what used to be Meadowlark Airport have substandard streets only 34 feet wide, and they have to have sprinklers because the fire trucks will have trouble getting to them.



I bought this sign at the San Diego swap. Riverside County replaced them with No Outlet, because people could interpret Not Through as Unfinished. Well, it fits here.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:19 pm:

Frank, judging by vehicle width I'd say Aldine Court is about 25' wide, certainly no more than 30'. I see you were just down the hill from Averill Park. Did you ever fish for crawdads with bacon on a string?

Ralph, how about this sign?



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:58 pm:

Yes and got many of them. I attended 7th street school starting in 1937 and sailed my little home made sail boats in the ponds. We made fish hooks out of safety pins and caught gold fish on oatmeal. We lived on 13th and Patton across from Clarance Halfpenny's house.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 12:13 am:

I'd put that one up, too, if I had it, Steve.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 08:27 pm:

Mike, You didn't include the requirement for the gage(s) calibration being current and traceable to the National Bureau of Standards.
Gary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 11:19 pm:

Frank,

My Internet is working. A quick search doesn't locate any pavement widths for Aldine Court in San Pedro. Best bet for this sort of information is the Department of Public Works / Street Department in San Pedro. Someone usually keeps track of the pavement width and any changes over the years. Not much reason to post it on the Internet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 02:52 am:

Gary, do you mean to the National Institute of Science and Technology? We haven't required calibration until the gage is proven capable. This is something that's going to involve major capital expenditures and we won't purchase until we've had a chance to check it out for ourselves. Heck we haven't even filled out the justification for capital yet and with this years available finances and the way management is being so tight fisted because of the economy we may not even consider measuring the distance until next year.

After all these years of being retired I still get a headache just thinking about trying to purchase capital inspection equipment. Coordinate Measuring Machines don't produce parts. Therefore they have little value. But send out a bunch of Nonconforming crap and then listen to 'em. Quality Assurance never worked for the company because the company hated them so much. The Design guys always tightened the specs to much and would always deviate but wouldn't send through an ECO, the manufacturing guys always tried to cut costs on tooling and refused to change their incapable processes, production refused to shut down machines that were making junk because they always knew the Design people would deviate and Quality Assurance was always working with the customers to get them to buy off on nonconforming products that were made with lousy processes with designs that were toleranced to tight. No one wanted to do Product or Process FMEA's and... My head is just pounding now. It's gonna take me at least a week to get over this one. Is it any wonder why I still drink?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 09:40 am:

Mike, Could be. Guess I've been retired too long. (Some would say not long enough.) Before I retired military contractors were still required to maintain control of their measuring equipment to Mil-Std-45662A. I see now that has been cancelled. Evidently things have changed a bunch.
PS: I know what you mean by trying to sell crap to the customer. I was the customer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 03:32 pm:

I hear ya Gary. When I was younger I worked in Southern Minnesota for 18 years. We did a lot of D.O.D. work and calibrated to mil-std-45662A but understand we wouldn't even put a gage on the floor until the gage was qualified utilizing error of measurement standards and a strict inspection to stated requirements. A simple micrometer had to meet incremental and linear specifications and anvil parallelism and flatness requirements and MIL-Q-9858 came into play on our audits. But because of the horrible expense to implement 9858 we only satisfied the requirements for the D.O.D. The rest of the time we pretty much met the requirements for mil-std-45208A. But that was until 1989. And I've forgotten so much because once I moved to Central Minnesota I found out, if you have any gaging at all it was all that matters. This area is a quality management implementation desert. They have a problem spelling inspecsion. Oops I mean enspection, wait a minute... I'll be right back, Ok, inspection. Whew, that was a tough one. I know I'm gonna have nightmares and headaches again tonight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 03:37 pm:

If you can find the street on www.wikimapia.org there is a distance measuring tool in the upper left corner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 05:18 pm:

That one says 32'. The measuring feature is a pretty handy thing.


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