What the Heck? 12 Cylinder Engine

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick J. Gunter on Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 09:05 pm:

Now this would make one awesome speedster, but I wouldn't want to drive it on wooden wheels. Its on ebay at:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Franklin-12-Cylinder-New-with-used-Turbo-400-Trans-on-Model-T-Chasis-/271039376575?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item3f1b34acbf&vxp=mtr
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Gilham Bellflower Ca. on Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 09:13 pm:

I don't think the T chassis is included. I think it's just a rolling engine stand??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 09:45 pm:

Oh, I want one! I've never heard of these engines. The N-9M flying wing has a pair of 8 cyl supercharged Franklin engines, which may be even more rare.



There was a segment on History Detectives recently with a guy who had a prop he picked up near Sycamore, Ill, many years ago. It was from an experimental drone made of wood by Wurlitzer in Sycamore near the end of the War. They didn't mention the engine, but I bet this was it.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 10:49 pm:

Ricks, you could bid on this to switch your pickup body over to it and you might break the sound barrier on the freeway! :>)
You might want to upgrade the front brakes to a larger rotor.



You know I am just picking!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 09:15 am:

That would be the coolest speedster ever. I'd imagine there'd be quite a few issues to deal with, what fuel it runs, how many RPM it likes so you'd have a clue on how to gear the trans and rear end, fuel delivery - looks like it's fuel injected, those sorts of things. It's almost like it's up-side down on that T frame. I'd flip it over.

It'd really be an odd vehicle though, it's air-cooled so it doesn't need a radiator, just a nice sexy intake with grill and fan. Could you get enough air to it though since it's made to fly? And, you'd basically have to hang the engine below the frame in order to get the drive line to work, the output shaft on the engine is so high relative to where the bulk of the engine is. Somebody would have to have a lot of $$$ to make this work. Looks like a Jay Leno type project.

Lol, that engine produces 450 HP. You'd need a serious rear-end set up just to keep the whole thing on the ground.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=828

I bet it sounds AMAZING when it runs with those short little exhaust pipes though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 10:48 am:

Since it's air cooled we could avoid the water pump conversation! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 10:52 am:

For those of you who have too much time on your hands (and love precision machinery) may I suggest this as your next project ?

http://www.gizmag.com/spanish-engineer-crafts-the-worlds-smallest-v-12-engine/20 636/

BTW this is a wonderful site, sign up for it and you'll never regret it!

Cheers
schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles Lesko on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 12:25 pm:

I just joined this club and I'm the one selling the Franklin 12 cylinder on ebay. I thought I'd give you a little more information on this engine. The engine is brand new, 0 Hours run time. It has chipped and peeling paint that has been touched up. The ignition is twin magnetos, 2 spark plugs per cylinder, thats an expensive tune up, 24 plugs please for my custom hot rod, $$$$$$$$$$$. The starter motor is a Delco, located on the top on the magneto end of the engine. The transmission in the picture is a 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Turbo 400, the engine adapter plate is made for a Chevrolet bolt pattern. There is a intake manifold, located on the bottom side of the engine and it does not have carbs. You would have to make a adapter plate to use a Holley 1080 4 barrel or similar size carb for this engine or you could use 2 good size updraft carbs but they are very hard to find. The power output is 578 HP at 3400 RPM's using a 1080 Holley as we dyno'd one of these engines with that carb, that engine was used on a snowplane. If you don't know what a snowplane is, go to youtube and look up my daughters clip, " Catrina's 1963 Polaris snowplane ". I hope to sell this engine to someone who would use it for a strecthed Model T Roadster, then sell it to Jay Leno like the Blastolene people.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles Lesko on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 01:09 pm:

Also, the engine runs on 87 octane, regular pump gas. You would need to adapt a fan/blower system to keep the engine cool. The engine is very loud with these type exhaust pipes, you can't even stand next to it at idle. The crankshaft in these models looks like it belongs in a swiss watch, excellent precision workmanship. The snowplane that used this engine, ran 303 MPH wearing ice skates, the operator or Sturgeon, which is what they call a snowplane operator, was completely naked when he set this speed record !!!







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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 03:05 pm:

Thanks for all the info, Charles. I had a 6A4-335 Franklin, 165 hp @2800 rpm, in my Bellanca Cruisair. It used a Marvel-Schebler 4-5 carb which should feed half that engine.

You need to get the PBS "History Detectives" segment on the drone to go with that engine.

I guess you know it was the 165 Franklin with water jackets in the Tucker car? He bought Franklin, and it went bankrupt in 1948 with him, never to fully recover. It was all sold to Pezetel in Poland in about 1974, and they may still be making the same basic engines.

HH Franklin built aircooled cars from 1902-34. The engineers started building aircraft engines after the bankruptcy.

I could say I'm sorry to rattle on so long, but I'm not. Somebody could use your engine to make a racer in the style of this 1911 Franklin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles Lesko on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 06:31 pm:

Surf,

I really like the pictures of the car, classic barrel styling !!! My hope would be to find someone to put it in a roadster of some kind, I would sell them the engine for a price they couldn't refuse if I found the right person, then probably by the car from them once they built it. I had 18 of these engines, all brand new, I have just a few left now. I think maybe a custom car from the 40's with wood sides and a sexy lady painted on the side like what they had put on the sides of the WWII Bombers, might be the best way to go for this engine. It would also fit in a custom wood boat very nicely as the adapter plate would allow it to hook up to a wide vareity of marine transmissions !!!


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