Hi all,
I just found bands that are fitted with "brake lining" instead of cotton or Kevlar tape (In French, we say "Ferrodo band" I'm not sure of the translation).
I've always heard that we should not use tapes with brake lining, but for what reason?
Has anyone done a test with the same bands?
Personally, I have a friend who has installed this type of band, 25 years ago on his runabout.
He has never changed.
What do you think???????
Merci....
Olivier
Looks like what we used to try in the 1970's...lining that was bonded to the band and not riveted. My experience with them is that they tended to chatter and engage harshly.
I think the bands you want to avoid are ones with either brass or particularly steel mesh woven throughout the friction material.
How smoothly does your friend's low gear and brake work? My dad had it and reverse would chatter badly, as did brakes. Low took up smoothly until the end, and then grabbed.
Will the metal particles mess up the mag?
Many NRS Fords use bonded brake lining (including our N). I've driven a few thousand miles with these bands and have taken them up only a bit over that time. However, these are external bands and drums, so particles/pieces entering the engine is not an issue.
Rob
I tried my friend's Ford. Braking is stronger than my Ford T and start more nervous, but I think with this type of tape drive without violence must not to damage the transmission.
Here is a picture of the Ford installed with bands since 1985.
olivier
If I had some I would try them.
We had Ferrodo bands here in Australia in the 1970's. The ones we had were riveted on like a normal band. Tough as anything, took terrible abuse and lasted very,very well, but like any woven band they did wear out eventually. Unlike kevlar we never ever saw cracked brake drums. We used to run softer & smoother engaging Scandies on C & R, but Ferrodo on B.
I wish I had some of that material left. I am about to replace the bands in my 'T' and not happy about running Kevlar. I will put the new Scandie material in. I just hope the new stuff is made better than the crap pushed onto us a little while ago...
Olivier,
I have had the bonded lining in my 1913 T touring since I bought the car in Dec. 1987.There is a slight chatter in low & some in the reverse,& none when braking.These bonded bands were in the car when I bought it.They hardly have to be adjusted.
Scott
Thank you all, I'll keep these bands intact and I would try when I have the opportunity.
Olivier
If somebody would market that type of band they would sell like hotcakes. Especially if you just rivet the material to the band. HMMMM!!
Read the advertisement, Those bands were asbestos. Next best thing to Kevlar but more deadly.
There is not going to be anything deadly about the Ferodo bands. The bands are inside the engine, submerged in oil. Asbestos is only dangerous in airborne particulates. It is not dangerous if used properly.
They look like linings made for a modern automatic transmission, which as mentioned will last very well but usually chatter a lot in my limited experience of them.
Dave...
Don't bother with Scandies... woven kevlar are great bands. You're well experienced enough to know what hot oil smells like if you don't get them adjusted perfectly the first time, and if so you won't have toasted the kevlar linings. In capable hands they last for bloody ages. I am fond of using a transmission screen in any case, they collect a lot of shite!
Cheers
Hi Olivier,
Ferrodo bands have been in use in the UK for many years with varied success. The correct type of Ferrodo with no metal particles is Ferrodo AN11, there is a Mintex variant as well but unsure of the type. The theory of using these bands is you may get some juddering at slow speeds but you can be assured that you will have a brake when you press the pedal!!.
Simon.
Royce, so when it is time to install them Olivier must be sure to keep them at the bottom of a bucket of oil while he is drilling the holes and installing them. Then when their life is over and he is pulling them from the bands that job has to be done under oil also. In fact, if he doesn't do the job himself he should warn the mechanic about them!
I hear that some places in Europe that environmental restrictions are even tighter than here on the Left Coast, I wonder if he can get away with working on these linings?
TH
Hello Terry,
I can not translate your last sentence.
If I understand correctly, you are wondering if with the latest European environmental restrictions, it is possible to re-Ferodo bands in France?
Olivier
Oliver, here in California we have a government which feels they have to protect us from ourselves and society in general from anything anyone wants to do. My question essentially was if in Europe there are bureauratic "protectors" ready to protect you from using an old Ferodo band.
Non-T rant:
In the US the government is protecting us from everything they can think of (I doubt many of them actually think!), one is wasting our electricity on incandescent lighting. Today I replaced the light fixture in my office bathroom which the local code enforcers required be CFL (compact fluorescent light). The problem is that the new lights take a while to warm up leaving the bathroom very dark for a minute. The 2 and 3 year olds often come running out of the dark bathroom in tears from fear of the dark. So I had to scrounge up a fixture which takes a 100W incandescent. Got it done and the code inspectors know nothing of it! Next problem the government protects us from 100W bulbs which are no longer generally available... unless you get a "special purpose" bulb... a standard old incandescent with a new "special price"... around $6 a pop!
Ain't regulations and regulators great?
TH