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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William B. Rady on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:14 pm:

Does anyone have a good wiring diagram for a Model T generator? I took my generator apart to clean it up and I just want to be certain that I reassemble it properly. Ron the Coil Man sent me an email on how it should be connected, thank you Ron; however a picture is worth a thousand words.

Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:35 pm:

Can't say it's a good one but this drawing shows how the parts interact.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William B. Rady on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:56 pm:

Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William B. Rady on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:23 pm:

Hi

Here are two more questions. First, I replaced the small bearing with a new sealed one. Do I still need to use the felt when reassembling? There was no felt there when I disassembled the generator. My other question relates to the brushgear cover. There is a threaded hole in the cover. What is supposed to go in this hole?

Thanks

Bill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:31 pm:

Bill
You can leave the felt out if you use a sealed bearing. If you have the felt retainer washer reinstall it to help with armature end play. If not use a fiber washer to take up the space originally used by the felt retainer.
The threaded hole in the brush cap is for the twist opening oiler Ford originally used.
ALWAYS reinstall the oil slinger on the gear end. It helps keep oil from getting into the generator case.
Ron the Coilman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:32 pm:

I would still use the felt and the slinger on the small end. This helps keep the engine oil from washing out the grease in the bearing.

Some of the old replacement covers were held by a screw. If you're using the band style, you can leave the hole or weld it up and grind it down.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:39 pm:

Ops. Ron types faster.
If the hole you speak of is in the end of the cap, Ron is right. The oiler looks something like below. This is a faux oiler used to plug the hole if you're using sealed roller bearings in the rear also.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:56 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William B. Rady on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 05:20 pm:

Ron and all, thanks for the info.

My generator did not have a slinger ring on the gear end.

Bill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 06:49 pm:

You could leave the felt out as Ron says but you really do need the slinger. It will help keep your generator from filling with oil. However, I don't know of anyone that reproduces them. If there was a need for enough of them, I'd run/stamp a batch of them. I made dies for the Sedan seat-mount washers but those don't seem to be needed much. It's not worth making dies for a few pieces. :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 07:17 pm:

Ken
I will contact you about oil slinger's.
Ron Patterson


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 07:22 pm:

Bill
You gotta have the oil slinger or drill a larger hole in the bottom of
Contact me tomorrow 11am-4pm EST about an oil slinger. Good usable ones are getting harder to find and as Ken says no one is making them. I am always running short on these, but I have a few lying about.
Ron the Coilman
859-881-1677


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William B. Rady on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 09:18 am:

Good Morning

If I am using a sealed bearing on the gear end, will that help? I have already pressed the sealed bearing on the shaft, without the slinger and I hate to have to pull my new bearing off. I guess not having the slinger on the gear end was probably the reason why my generator was so dirty.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 09:26 am:

Bill
The oil slinger goes on the large end of the armature shaft after the bearing, then the mounting plate and then the drive gear. The slinger runs on the shaft in the front plate bore to help prevent excess engine oil in the front gear case from entering the generator case.
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Ron the Coilman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Housego (United Kingdom) on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 04:52 pm:

Hello Ron, I am just repairing a generator which when I took apart did not have the oil slinger you mentioned. From your picture it looks like a simple washer placed between front bearing and inside of the mounting plate? MTFCA electrical system book page 7 indicates the slinger to be fitted outside of mounting plate between that and the driving pinion. Just wondering if there are 2 types and would welcome your comments please before I proceed. Thanks in advance. John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 09:03 am:

John
The slinger is a cup shaped washer that fits as you suggested.
I have never seen another type of slinger like described in the MTFCA electrical manual. Perhaps just an error in the description?
The very early 1919 generator technical documents I have do not depict the slinger and I suspect it was added later? When I have no idea.
Ron the Coilman


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