Oil pan-to-frame bracket removal question...

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Oil pan-to-frame bracket removal question...
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marshall V. Daut on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:12 pm:

First time trying to remove a broken oil pan-to-frame bracket from one pan, a good one from another and then placing the good one on the bad pan. Follow that? Local Model T guy Gene Nelson was kind enough to allow me to remove a good bracket from one of his well-used three-dip pans so that I can put it on a 1914 Model T I am helping a friend get back on the road. I have drilled out the rivets, enlarged the holes for the next size larger hardened bolts and ground off the excess rivet heads from both sides of the pan. But I can't seem to budge either bracket from its pan, even with chisels in a prying fashion. Is the bracket also welded somehow or brazed where I can't see it? What's holding it so stubbornly in place? Does the edge of the bracket need to be heated all along its perimeter to free the bracket? What am I overlooking in trying to do this? Please tell me it's something simple.
I tried searching past postings for the answer to this question, but came up with hundreds of pages of non-related postings. I think the search engine on this website hates me.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Marshall


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:21 pm:

You will need to use an oxy-acetylene torch with a rose bud tip to heat the pan arm as it is brazed into place. Heat the entire arm where it attaches to the pan. Use rivits when reinstalling the arm. After riviting braze the arm into place. Make sure the arm is properly located by setting it in a T frame. If the bolt holes on top align and the top of the arm is flat on the frame you did good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 04:50 pm:

It takes a lot of heat and patience to get those arms off but it can be done without damaging them. It seems like Ford flowed the braze in so that it covers the whole area where the arm is attached to the pan. Those arms may break but they never come loose by themselves!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 05:24 pm:

Marshall, replacing a pan arm is a real beast of a job, involving a great deal of heat and much swearing! Having done it once, I would ask what damage has been done to the bad one before embarking on replacement. There are ways to make satisfactory repairs which can be far less stressful on both you and your pan. If you post photos of the problem we may be able to suggest a satisfactory repair which will involve less work and less chance of things getting out of hand.

Hope it works out well for you.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 05:31 pm:

Seems they were sold as spare parts - here's a NOS pair: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-of-NOS-oil-pan-mounting-ears-Model-T-Ford-/36048195 6095


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Nelson -------Eastern Iowa on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 10:31 pm:

Marshall,
I sent you a PM.
Gene


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