Ok, I'm going to ask some help.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:22 pm:

Alright youse bums. I gots me a problum. Here's da deal. I tried to pull the drum off my '26 touring. I put the puller on the hub and on the end of the axle and applied force. The threaded part of the axle split and broke off at the drum. Now I have no way of pulling the hub. Any suggestions on how I'm going to get this darn thing apart.

As a side note. I found it interesting while looking at the broken pieces that the axle had been previously split about halfway through. I was able to tell this by the fact half the broken material was rusted and the rest showed a fresh break. It appeared something had wedged into the centerdrilled part of the axle and caused it to split.

At any rate I've tried to come up with a way to get the hub off. I've thought possibly heat would help. I also thought of drilling and tapping the hub and putting a puller on it that I could put a slide hammer on. And then smack the you know what out of it.

So please ignore the fact I've been a pain in the rump and a real smart a^% most of the time I've posted on here and give me some ideas. And I promise after I've used your ideas I'll go back to being the pain I've always been. Thank you and God bless you all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lee crenshaw on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:38 pm:

Mike, my suggestion would be to use the Ford style puller that screws over the hubcap threads.
Make an extension with a collar that would fit over the tension screw. This extension would be sized to bear directly against the end of the axle and transfer the force directly to the axle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:42 pm:

Mike, the standard wheel puller should still work. You may need to drill a new centre in the axle. It does not need to be dead centre. Then use a ball bearing between the end of the axle and the bolt through the centre of the puller and apply pressure as before. Unfortunately, you do not have the ability to drive the car to loosen it up with the pressure applied, without running the risk of the wheel departing in action.

Hope this helps.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:47 pm:

Mike, a picture would help. Did the threaded end break off clear across, or did half break off and leave the other half sticking out? Either way, if you can flatten off the break, the puller should still work. If the center bolt isn't long enough to press against the end of the axle, maybe you could extend it with a small socket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:50 pm:

Good thought Lee. However the break goes into the hub and I don't have much of a surface to push against. The hub is stuck extremely tight and I don't want to jeopardize it by applying some weird forces against it. I especially don't want to mess up the hubcap threads. But then I'm not in front of it right now and I'm not going to go out this time of the night to look but your suggestion may still be worth contemplating. I just have to determine how well I can apply force against that broken end. One other thing I haven't mentioned is that I have to borrow a hub puller every time and it's 20 miles away. Now you've really got me thinkin'. I recently bought a lathe and I should be able to use this old brain of mine to come up with something along the lines of your idea. No I don't have threading capability on my lathe. It's over 100 years old.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:53 pm:

Half broke off even with the hub and half broke off in the hub a little ways. If I can make anything flat it's going to be only half the axle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:55 pm:

I'll get a picture in the morning. It's 11:00 PM and I'm pretty sure the Boogie Man is out there waiting for me. And I know my bed is calling me right now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Brown on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 02:17 am:

You said the axle broke off at the drum so you still have a portion inside the hub. Options? If the broken piece is tapered and you have a die grinder and a long shank ball burr you may be able to work away at the side of the axle in the hole and get get a portion cut down enough to break off some more and then put a bolt against it under your puller and try pulling it? Also by using a pipe nipple inside the hub you can run a drill in and drill it a ways. By using a nipple that just fits the hole and bushing it down you can start with a smaller drill and have a pilot hole before enlarging. After you get a good hole in a ways you can go back to the burr. Also use a good penetrating oil and let it soak a little while befor starting . If everything fails and it sounds like you have wood spoke wheels, cut the heads off the hub bolts and remove the wheel. Now you could use some heat if needed or possible build a bigger puller that you could hammer against by cutting the hub bolts off close and drive them inward . You may be able to run longer bolts through your puller plate and hub and just get nuts down between the hub and brake drum for those bolts


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 09:57 am:

'26 with wood wheel. Fit puller plates, you may have to fab up one, but that would save your hub cap threads. Clean the broken axle stub flush so the hub taper doesn't hang up when pulling.



The old Dyke's method, place flat stock bars, behind the spokes, use all tread rod, and make a puller to pull the wheel off with the hub/drum. Again, clean off the busted stub of the axle so it won't jam and keep the hub from pulling off the axle.



Again, the tip to use lots of penetrating oil, Kroil or PB Blaster, and let it soak well, that will help loosen up rusted axle taper to hub too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 03:21 pm:

Good suggestions above. I would add one thought. Because the end is broken off, makes it more difficult. But it may also afford you an opportunity. I have never had good luck with penetrating oils getting into rear hubs. However with the axle end missing, you may be able to get more in where it can soak in deeper. Rotating the wheel so that the key is down may help.
Good luck! You may need it.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


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