I've been working on this little project for a while now. Today they got sewn up. The base material is heavy naugahyde.
The one has a kevlar liner, that is not too original but it will prevent a wearthrough quite well. I'm not sure Henry would approve the cost though.
I have yet to get the hardware and install it but that will come. Also in the works are the early tool rolls but more research is needed.
thats pretty cool.
Ok gentlemen, I have located latches that are pretty close to the original style.
Now I have a question. I have seen pics of original and repro bags with one latch in the center and two close to the sides of the flap.
Which is correct for a '26 to '27 T? Were the two closure types later or used only on a specific vehicle? There is not much info on this detail on the WWW. that I have found to date.
All I have seen so far is the N tractor series bags seem to be the two clasp style and Lang's has the one clasp style listed as the late T style.
Any help greatly appreciated!
Brian
Here is a picture and link from a previous Forum discussion.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/100919.html?
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This is from a Model A Publication. Regards, John
Thank you Sir! Early '28 sometime would be the changeover point from one to two 'twist snaps'.
It also looks like I missed a few minor details on the sewing pattern too. This is the first clear pic so far. Nothing that cannot be fixed on these two bags thankfully.
The next one will be more accurate by far.
For all the cost cutting and recycling measures that went into these cars they sure knew how to make something that lasts.
John, thank you!
Brian
I agree with John ; there were 2 early Model A toolbags. The first had a single twist clasp & is Model T issue. The next had 2 twist clasps until replaced by the 2 snap /dome clasps. These can be seen on MAFCA site.
It is possible Canadian Model T's had their own bag design as with Model A's. After 1928 Canada issued envelope design bags with a single tie strap, made of oilcloth or leatherette.
Tom.
From the encyclopedia:
TOOL ROLLS
The earliest tool roll record is dated September 4, 1913. The drawing indicates it was factory number T-1979 and was made of six-ounce waterproof duck. It had pockets for the tools and was tied with a strap. The flap had beveled edges.
The next change was on October 23, 1914 when the drawing was brought up to date as the rolls were then being made. The size changed to 13 by 19 inches (from 14 by 20 inches) with the width of the pockets changed accordingly. A pocket was added to the flap to be used in holding T-4729 repair patch and four tire patches, T-4726. The corners of the flap are square instead of beveled.
On March 3, 1915 the drawing was brought up to date as the rolls were being made at that time. The pocket in the flap was discontinued. On March 31, 1915 a note was added that the rolls were to be made from any scrap rubber or imitation leather, and were to be made by the Ford Motor Company.
In December 16 (the date is obscure) the drawing indicates the pockets were discontinued.
On December 6, 1920 a new design. It is now more of a bag than a roll. Apparently two versions were being made; one had a snap button to keep the flap closed and the other used a web strap. The button type appears to be new as the strap had been used for some time.
On June 5, 1924 a new drawing. The width went from 5 to 6 inches to 5-1/2 to 6-1/2 inches, and the length outside went from 16 to 17 inches to 12-1/2 to 13 inches. Glove fasteners were specified instead of the strap and buckle.
Does anyone have original examples of the 1914 roll with the extra pocket and square lid and the two late 1920 versions? I would like to recreate them.
I would need to see clear pictures of how the folds are made as they get sewn up. I would like to get the bags as close to original as possible.
quote:I would like to get the bags as close to original as possible.
I think that they are saying they were made of tent type canvas. That stuff does dry up and crack even after 40 years, all my old wood framed cots literally rotted away and ripped at every seam. And that was just unfolding them. Sitting on them would have been painful.
This tool roll came from an unrestored original 1915 roadster. As you can see it was made of scrap seat / top material sewed together. It measures about 14 inches X 20 inches. It possibly has shrunk some. Les Sumner
Holy recycling Batman!
They made the main panel out of four pieces and that one is original! Now I don't feel so bad about my errors.
Thank you Les. I can dupe one on just those 3 pics alone.
Thank you Les, it has been a bit of a challenge but I have done it. I was able to get pocket sizes from the pics and tested them with real tools.
This is what I came up with. One will have the patch kit pocket sewn in later when I get those pics and sizes too.
I will have to get the straps and closures on them yet, they are on the way soon. I can cover the entire T history with these bags now. Finding all the correct tools for them will be a lot more of a challenge however! I have but four now.
Thanks for posting those photos of your original tool roll Les. That kind of information is invaluable for us.
Brian, good job. I used Carhart material for my earlier tool roll. It is a nice tough canvas. Les
Les, in the brown roll what's between the 1349 and the pliers??
Tire tools.
Does anyone reproduce the T-2177 and T-2178 spark plug tool? Does anyone have the T-1904 that preceded it?
I am guessing they are very hard to find.