Tire patch in a can on tubes?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Tire patch in a can on tubes?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Hoshield on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 11:36 am:

Does the tire-patch-in-a-can work on tubes? Does it then screw up the tube to be properly pulled and patched at a later date?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 12:16 pm:

There are two types of patch in a can. One type uses rubber cement that is thinned with Bestine brand solvent which is most likely Naphtha, which may be a banned substance. The surface of the tube is sanded to a rough texture and let dry. The patch on the tube is facing the inside of the flap and holds the patch on and the cement seals the air in. Both the rubber patch and the surface of the tube are coated with the rubber cement. It is let dry for several minutes and then the two are pressed together and they stick. They can not be re-positioned and it is easy to get an air bubble under the patch and then it will fail.

The other type uses a diamond shaped rubber patch glued to a metal shoe filled with a punk-like substance that burns very hot and actually vulcanizes the rubber which actually melts the two pieces of rubber together The shoe is clamped to the tube with a hand cranked vice that comes with the kit. The crank handle is usually attached to the vise head with a short piece of chain. The tube is allowed to come to room temperature before removing from the vise.


The vulcanizing system works best. I have used both back in the day and they hold very well. More care is used installing the tube that has been glued than the vulcanized one as it can easily be torn until it is back inside of the tire where the pressure helps to hold the patch in place.

If you take your tube into a tire store to have it patched they will most likely use the vulcanizing system but they may use one of the modern cold patches like they do inside of a tubeless tire. There is a chance that the vulcanizing system has been outlawed by the tree huggers because it makes an acrid smoke during the vulcanizing process.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 12:46 pm:

Remembering the same tube patching methods Frank describes, I recently went shopping for a tube repair kit. After getting blank stares at the auto parts stores, I went to the bike shop and got some tube bandages. I haven't had the occasion to try them out yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steve miller- mississauga,ontario on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 01:08 pm:

Dennis,
Are you talking about the aerosol tire repair or a tube repair product? If the former the answer is DO NOT use it for a tube type tire.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 01:14 pm:

I have patched Model T and high pressure bicycle tubes using the contact cement type patches and have never had a problem.

Most auto parts stores sell patches and cement, together in kits and separately.

Once you open the tube of cement, the tube will eventually dry out no matter how tightly it is capped so it's best to buy the smallest tube because the rest will eventually go to waste.

The last time I bought cement was at Autozone last summer to repair a bicycle tube.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 01:23 pm:

If anyone knows a source for hot patches, let me know. All I have been able to find were a few old stock that folks thought were made of gold from the prices. The cold patches you get know are excellant. KB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 02:02 pm:

Keith, I believe the tree huggers had them outlawed because they made smoke and fixed flats so more cars could use the roads, which is not on their agenda.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 02:33 pm:

The Camel Hot Patches have not been made for 20 years or so. I stocked up when they were available.

However, the hot patches do not work on synthetic rubber tubes. Most of the tubes from Coker or any of the other tire companies are synthetic rubber. None of the patches I have tried will stick.

Natural rubber tires can be patched successfully.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 02:43 pm:

Thanks for that information Royce, Now I don't feel so bad about loosing a good product.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 03:44 pm:

There is a tire sealant made for tube tires, it is NOT the kind in a can that inflates the tire. It is made to go in BEFORE you have a flat, not to patch one. You may find it in the bike section at the box stores, but the size is way too small. I have used it on some of my cars and it will prevent a tire from going flat and guess what? It will also balance a tire!! Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 04:58 pm:

I still blame the tree huggers for trying to ruin my life Frank.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 05:12 pm:

Is it "green slime" type product you are asking about? It may get you out of a jam, but may be problematic later by leaving a heavy spot or gumming up the valve. If you have to use it, drive for a long time so it cures before you park to prevent it from settling at the bottom.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 03:28 pm:

I am running "Slime" in a 30 x 3 1/2 tire on my 24 touring. I pulled a locust thorn out several years back and installed the "Slime". Its worked fine.

I use it in my tubeless front tractor tires, and lawn tractor tubeless tire with good results.


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