Help with year, please....

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Help with year, please....
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:18 pm:

A friend of mine posted some family photos on Facebook, including one with a Model T. The photo was taken in 1919 (according to the handwritten notation), but the car is earlier. Can someone narrow the year of the car for me? Thanks...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:23 pm:

1916


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:26 pm:

My guess would be a 1916 touring


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:29 pm:

Dick,

At the distance shown, I'd agree a '16 also.

The only diff between a 15 and 16 from this view would be are the headlight rims brass or black (black being 16)...are the chimney tops and lense rings brass or black? (black being 16)

Then again, are they just tarnished? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:29 pm:

It could be 1915. The headlights don't have brass trim, but I think that was changed in calendar year '15


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dexter Doucet on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:37 pm:

Is that man wearing a homburg?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:42 pm:

The black headlight rims were a hallmark of the 1916 model year. Ford called this car a 1916 when it was new. It could have left the factory as early as August 1, 1915, and would have been known as a 1916 Ford at that time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Saturday, September 08, 2012 - 10:56 pm:

Note that the headlights are mounted on forks !!!
I'm thinking early '15 with accessory headlights added. Ford wanted to use up the excess gaslight forks. Geo n L.A.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Saturday, September 08, 2012 - 11:07 pm:

That looks like a brass radiator...so 1915 ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 01:01 am:

Bud,

Brass radiator was used until the end of the 1916 model year. So it is still a 1916.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike_black on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 07:46 am:

In this pic the hubcaps look the same as the headlight rims to me, also, the sidelight chimneys seem to have a brass look to me. I think this is like a lot of T things that have feelings inserted where facts are inadequate. I think it's a 15 or 16, but I wouldn't try to take a firm stand on either on based on a fuzzy black and white picture.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 08:31 am:

Without a doubt a '16. All you have to do is compare the headlight rims to the top of the radiator and you're able to see the difference.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 09:19 am:

Dick,

Bottom line up front: Would you please contact your friend and see if they would be willing to send you (actually for me) a higher resolution scan and if possible some other photos of the car?

Additional details:

While clearly not a brand new car in 1919 as the photo is annotated, it still can offer some good clues and data points. If they can provide a 300 x 300 dpi of the photo or just the car (we are not trying to gather data on the background scene) that would be fantastic. I've often posted the photo of my parents and grandparents in my Dad's 1918. It was a scan from a 3 1/2 by 4 1/2 or so photo that I used to carry in my billfold. At a low resolution for posting on the forum it is a nice photo but not much detail can be zoomed in on. At the higher resolution you can read the year of the license plate, the Ford on radiator shell, see the combination horn light switch etc. In the case of the your friend’s photo – I cannot tell if the front seat arm rest has a metal cap on the end of it or not. The rear seat does not appear to have one – but since the front seat looks the way it does, I would like to see a better copy/higher resolution. Also, I’m not sure I see “forked headlamp brackets” but again a higher resolution photo will probably help. Note – sometimes things are hidden in the shadows and it doesn’t help. For example I would love to know what type of spring that car has --- but I suspect that will remain a mystery no matter how high it is scanned. However, if your friend has some other photos of the same car – perhaps they show the front spring better?

And of course things could have been changed on the car. Either earlier or later parts added for one reason or another. And some folks even painted the brass or purchased another radiator/hood to update their cars.

Mike – one of the major limitations of computers is the lack of the face to face exchange. No emotions (well for a good poker player that might not matter) and like now some of us are in a hurry to finish the post so we can leave for another event etc. Also the way things are said can often times make a difference even when the facts are still the same. For example the sign that says “Wet Paint Do Not Touch” verses the sign that says “Caution Wet Paint.” They both communicate the paint might be wet, but one of them makes many of us want to touch it.

Thanks to all of you for sharing your thoughts, comments, photos, and insight. I believe we are capturing more and more information and from it we should be able to help build on what Bruce (RIP) and others Ray Miller, Floyd Clymer (RIP) and Henry Ford (RIP) documented previously.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap 1915 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 09:52 am:

I sent him a message, Hap.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 01:35 pm:

Hot dang, I'm finally learning from you old-timers, how to identify the years. Before I scrolled down, I examined the pic and decided it must be a 1915 or 16.

(pats self on back)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 02:34 pm:

Dick -- thank you.

Danial -- Good Job! Bruce's CD are an excellent source of photos etc. as well as the forum. And after you start looking at the Ts especially if they are parked next to one another them you begin to notice more and more of the differences from one model year to the next. Or like your own 1926-27 "improved model" coupes -- that the early 1926 coupes did not have a cross bar for the headlights etc. I'm still waiting for Jeopardy to start adding more Model T questions -- it could bring at least one more viewer on board (that would be me).

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 09:55 pm:

haha...thanks Hap. I think they could do an entire show on the history of Ford and the Model T. I'd watch it...grin..


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