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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:39 pm:

Hi all,

Here are some pictures sent me a friend, a wheel size 30 x 3 ½.

Do you know this wheel?

How was it used?

Amicalement

Olivier












Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 02:04 pm:

Could it be part of set up for a flat belt pulley?.It looks as it the existing arrangement would accept different sized pulleys depending on what you needed to run with your Ford.....cream separater,buzz saw,water pump....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 02:48 pm:

Darren, I though the water pump ran off the fan pulley? It does on my TT. The truck is a big hit at the ice cream parlor. Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 03:02 pm:

HAHAAHAHAHAHA!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 03:16 pm:

For sure it's not a belt drive on a front wheel. Unless, of course, it's a mighty long belt.
Might be part of a juicer or grinder and the Model T wheel was just used for a handwheel or crank.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 03:34 pm:

Here is a guess. Notice the hooks on it? My guess is that it would clamp onto the hub between the spokes of a Model T when the old wheel spokes were broken or the tire went flat. It would then be a spare to get you home or to a repair shop. Notice there is room inside for the end of the hub of either a front or a rear wheel.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark McWethy on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 03:36 pm:

I am not sure, but my grand dad told me of a way they used the drive wheel and a cable to extract them selves out of mud,snow etc. Never seen what he spoke of ,but I think it would make sense


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 03:53 pm:

When you broke an axle shaft and the hub with wheel assembly came off, the garage would send out a tow vehicle with one of these. It was clamped to the backing plate and the car towed back. I believe it has bearings in it so the wheel will turn on the clamping part.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 04:06 pm:

I like Darren's answer. I'm curious about how that thing is fastened onto the hub. Is it threaded to go on where the hubcap would screw on? But if it's a flat belt pulley, why the hooks? I'm starting to think the whole thing isn't there. Does something fasten to it similar to a PTO shaft in order to drive a piece of equipment?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 04:28 pm:

The non-removable wheel also seems unusual!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will,, Evans Mills NY on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 04:41 pm:

Maybe it was hooked to the rear wheel a to be used as a set of duels


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 04:54 pm:

Layden nailed it. Third wheel that hooks to the backing plate when your T broke an axle.

The whole unit hooks with those clamps around the rear end as the car's wheel can't be placed on the axle stub, because the axle is gone.

The unit is mounted to a 30"x 3 1/2" wood spoke non-demountable with metal felloe, that style spoke wheel was in the later years.


Metal felloe non-demountable wheel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:00 pm:

Layden Butler;

But that thing is on a front wheel. I have what you are talking about and its nothing like that. We had to use it on one of the last Colorado/Wyoming Tours. A guy broke his rear axle just outside of Walden, Colorado. I am on a strange computer but I will try and post a picture of my apparatus.

briken axle fixture


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:05 pm:

There has a bearing between the two parts. So I think it's good to use a wheel when the axle shaft is broken.

Layden Butler thank you for that answer.

Olivier


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:05 pm:

Not sure, but I think Layden B may be right.
As to the wheel itself. It is a somewhat unusual Ford issue from the mid'20s till near the end of T production. They were used on the base models for non-demountable wheels but use an integrated all steel felly and rim as opposed to the wood felly. Some references indicate they were used exclusively for non-demountables from about '25 till the end, however I have seen a fair number of original and factory photos showing '26 cars with wood felly wheels. Years ago, I had a very original (rusty) pair of large drum brake 30X3.5 wood felly wheels. I have also seen these steel felly non-demountable wheels, both in person and in photos. But I have seen more of the wood fellies in late application than I have the steel ones.
Also, contrary to comments currently on another thread. Photos also indicate that many of the '26s equipped with these wheels in 1926 still used 30X3 for the front tires.
Just my experience.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:09 pm:

Layden Butler;

But that thing is on a front wheel. I have what you are talking about and its nothing like that. We had to use it on one of the last Colorado/Wyoming Tours. A guy broke his rear axle just outside of Walden, Colorado. I am on a strange computer but I will try and post a picture of my apparatus.

briken axle fixture


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:10 pm:

Layden Butler;

But that thing is on a front wheel. I have what you are talking about and its nothing like that. We had to use it on one of the last Colorado/Wyoming Tours. A guy broke his rear axle just outside of Walden, Colorado. I am on a strange computer but I will try and post a picture of my apparatus.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:17 pm:

Here is an adv. on the device.

Fairbanks Co. USA.


Ford Owner magazine 1920.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:28 pm:

Thank you all for responding so quickly. I will send an e-mail to my friend to explain the use of the wheel.
It is 23 hours 26 in France, and I say "Good night," I get up at 6:00 tomorrow morning to work on the restoration of my 1912 Ford ...........

Olivier


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P. Steele, Montana on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 06:37 pm:

Layden and Dan to the rescue with an answer again. Thank you gentlemen!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 10:31 pm:

Makes good sense to me. That notch in the side is for the rear radius rod. You couldn't drive the car with that on but you could tow it.
Norm


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