Removing hogs head

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Removing hogs head
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ronnie wehba on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 06:44 pm:

just back from drag races ,ennis tx, anyway pulling hogs head seems to be hung up on the clutch forks?? got it up about 1-1/4" got to get it off to remove nuts and washers last owner dropped into pan. help thanks ron in texas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 07:09 pm:

Starter equipped? Do remove the Bendix shaft and spring, and remove carefully the starter to not damage the mag coil ring.

With all nuts and lock washers off the pedal shafts, and low adj screw backed off, the band ears should be tied together to keep them from spreading apart against the crankcase or hogshead. The exhaust manifold nut with exhaust pipe must be off for clearance at the front, you lift up the front of the hogshead first towards the back of the block.

All bolts, and clutch linkage must be free. Sometimes helps to push back on the univ joint cap and loosen the ball cap gasket upper with a putty knife. All surfaces of the hogshead have to be loose.

The clutch fork will clear as you grasp the lever of the clutch fork shaft, holding that straight will keep the fork horizontal to the clutch collar.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ronnie wehba on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 07:38 pm:

done all that think maybe the bands are binding against the case, as i did not take them loose, the guy i bought it from did that and let 2 nuts and washers, fall into the bottom still missing 2 springs not sure where they are,,p.s. will NOT turn engine over till i am sure all is good, as an x drag racer i think i can get the old t going sure differant that a smallblock chevy and powerglide grins and thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 07:58 pm:

One further point to Dan's...

One of mine has an aluminum hogshead and for the life of me it is harder to get off than any of the others. Drove me nuts the first time as I too would have sworn the clutch fork bound. Finally figured it out.

That hogshead has to come up level on both sides to about a 1.5" gap. Then slide in bits of 2x4 flat at the tail. Then check the exhaust manifold as mine has about 2 threads too many for what comes next. Cut a wedge end on a 2x4 block of wood and get underneath and hit up at the front alternating the sides with a whack on the wood with the point on the underside of the hogshead. About the 4th total whack, it just pops up on top and can be lifted from there. Goes on real easy ...

As I mentioned, have never figured out why this one in particular has to be done one way and one way only...but it did and I managed to get lucky.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 08:02 pm:

Ronnie

The bands are wrapped tight around the trans drums, so you have to loosen the nuts and lock washers from the reverse band and brake band. They can stay on the pedal shafts if backed out the the end, that will free up the bind. The low pedal shaft needs to have the adj screw backed out aways or fully.

But, secure the band ears with wire, nylon tie straps, or metal bent u-fork rod, as the bands will flop down, and make the 'simple' replacement of the hogshead back on more tough. :-) If you have a hard time getting the cover off....wait until you have the fun of placing it back, keeping the band lugs in line with the shafts, and putting the clutch fork back into the rear most slot of the collar.



Hogshead ready to lift. Bendix and starter gone, magneto post gone, exhaust pipe gone, all bolts gone, pedal linkage gone, ball cap freed away.



Bands secured and nuts loose on pedal shafts.



Hogshead off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 08:36 pm:

When you get around to putting it back on, you will discover the brass / bronze C-shaped piece for the clutch wants to flip upside down (the C opening up) You need the C-opening down to get it in the right groove in the clutch collar. Think I finally used a spring type wood clothespin to hold it long enough.

Also used two small blocks of wood about 1 by 2 inches with a long string attached to each one to support the front of the hogshead while getting everything back where it belongs. Then just take the strain off the blocks and pull them out with the string.

The vendors sell a very useful U-shaped clip to hold the band ears in place for you. Comes with a band nut tightening wrench.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ronnie wehba on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 08:48 pm:

thanks guys got it off was binding on the firewall anyway the bands look good but after talking with an older gentelman here that has had many t's he said the seller may not have been holding the low pedal down and just thought it was slipping, oh well have new kevlar bands so gonna change em anyway. this gentelman is gonna sit a tell me step by step what to do,he is also a longtime famile friend again thanks ron in tx.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 09:43 pm:

Thomas, I have a different trick to keep the brass clutch fork from flipping upside down when replacing the hogshead. I tie a footlong piece of dental floss around the fork first and tie it off. Then the ends of the floss are tied in the same way around the clutch shaft and the excess trimmed off. The floss is tough enough to stand a bit of pushing around and fine enough that the fork will still slide into place. I don't bother trying to get the bits out when finished. There will be lots more band fluff floating around than that little bit of floss.

Hope this helps.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ronnie wehba on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 09:52 pm:

got lots to do at work tomorrow get a building bid together will try to install new bands wed nite and start cleaning everything maybe start back with it thurs nite,thanks again


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 11:16 pm:

Nice pics Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tim moore on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 10:44 am:

Watch your head on the spark and throttle levers...keep them pushed up or you might get speared in the scalp...I've done it and with a shaved and perfect head I hate bumps and cuts!!!

I had the steering wheel off for more room as I was working inside a coupe.

Tim Moore


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