How do you (I) change a tire?!!!!!!!

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Poane on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 07:20 pm:

I have changed tires many times and for some reason I struggle every time.

Would someone please describe the step by step process of putting the inner tube, flap and tire on the demountable clincher rims. These are 30 x 3 1/2.

The wheel is off the car. Do I put half the tire on the rim, then tube, then flap then other side of the tire? Or put the tube and flap in the tire and then put tire on rim? I tried both ways and gave up after an hour with one wheel.

I checked YouTube and only found the plastic bag method.

Thank you in advance. Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 07:33 pm:

I insert the tube in the tire casing after sprinkling some powder in the casing. I then inflate the tube slightly to spread the casing. I then insert the flap making sure it wraps around the tube and goes into the casing evenly on each side. Next I let the air out of the tube. From this point on the next step depends on how supple the tire is. If the tire is very soft and pliable you can put both sides of the casing on at the same time but if the tire is not soft and pliable you must do one side at a time. I keep one 30X3 and one 30X3-1/2 on the running board with the tube and flap in place and slightly inflated so they will be ready to mount in the event of a flat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 07:47 pm:

Bob, many will disagree with me, but I never use rim flaps in clincher tyres. They are expensive insurance against clumsy tyre fitters pinching the tube. Instead, I use a rim liner on the rim. This never gets out of place when fitting the tube.

However, the fitting process is the same for me. Inflate the tube just enough to hold its shape and inset it in the tyre. If you must use a flap, it goes in next and is held in place by the lightly inflated tyre.

Next, apply lubricant to the tyre beads. You can't beat the proper stuff the tyre dealers use. I take a small tub to my local dealer and often as not they will give me what I need free.

I use a clamp to hold the tyre in place to start with. I fit both sides of the tyre on the rim with the valve stem in the hole and clamp the tyre in place. That way you are not trying to hold the tyre in place and it leaves both hands free to work the levers.

My levers are 15" long and have a curled end which closely follows the curve of the edge of the rim. Using these I lever both sides of the tyre on at the same time. Often when the tyre is almost completely on one side will pop on before the other. It is a simple matter to lever that last single side over the rim. This is where you can pinch the tube, but my levers wrap around the rim edge and cause no problems. A flap will help here.

By levering both side at once there is less opportunity for the flap to be displaced and subsequent creases in the tube. The key to it all is the lubricant. It makes the job so much easier, as you are not fighting friction all the way.

It works for me. Hope it helps.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Poane on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 08:14 pm:

Thank you guys! I'll give it another try on Thursday. BOB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 10:09 pm:

After setting my tires out in the sun to warm up, I mounted all five in about an hour. I installed the flaps as Allan described above. It probably would have gone faster if I'd used the lubricant and powder. I find it helpful to use three irons, one to pry and two to keep the tire in place.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 10:18 pm:

Soapy water will help a bit



Steve do you have the Roof done yet?????.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 10:26 pm:

Oh Boy. I spent almost twelve hours up there today. It's not just the roof, it's also the rotten places in the walls under the roof. Lots of replacing and rebuilding to do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 10:57 pm:

I use Ruglyde on the beads and usually install both sides on the tire and tube assembly at the same time. I find flaps to be an unnecessary expense and hassle on standard clincher rims. I have also mounted them one bead at a time also. I have mounted twelve clinchers in the last nineteen years and I just do it with whichever way works best at the time. Just be sure you have a little air in the tube so it just rounds out, otherwise you are likely to pinch the tube.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 06:47 am:

If you put the rim on the car it makes it much easier to install tires. I never have used a flap, they don't help anything. I wear tires down till they are bald and never have a flat unless I run over a nail.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 10:32 am:

Believe it or not, changing a tire can be compared to the difference between taking off and landing an airplane. Take-offs are much easier because the sky is such a big target, whereas runways are much harder to hit just right. Same with clincher tires. They're easier to take off than they are to put on—as long as you know the secret:

The secret amounts to a few giant C-clamps from your local hardware store. I've read postings from experienced guys who talk about tires so old and hardened, they had to be sawed off the rim. I recently peeled off a WWII-era, Ward's Riverside clincher that was stiffer than Foster Brooks at a Dean Martin roast. Though my set of tire irons was absolutely useless against the rubber from Krypton, the leverage of a pair of big ol' C-clamps was irresistible.


Alas, putting a new tire on is a whole lot more difficult than taking an old one off—at least for me (and by the way, I learned the hard way that cold tires are a whole lot less cooperative than warm tires when it comes to mounting).

Now, here on this forum, the disagreement over the benefit of flaps will go on for as long as we argue over which hand to use for cranking, but for me, the whole discussion is moot. I've twice attempted installing flaps, but in spite of good advice found here, just couldn't find the knack and ended up mounting both tires without them.



Fortunately, I do seem to have the knack of not pinching inner-tubes and so far, have gotten away with it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 01:05 pm:

The demountable tires on my T are at least 48 years old and I have recently changed two tubes.

The first tube took 4 days - a few hours to get the tire off the rim, a few days wondering why I decided to change tube, and almost a day between looking for answers on the computer and struggling to get the tire back on the rim.

The second took less than two hours including a coffee break.

I don't remember who on this forum told me the trick but I certainly owe him a BIG THANK YOU!!

My tools - 3 cheap 15 inch tire bars from Harbor Freight, a rubber mallet, a plastic bag, and the sun.

The trick?? The T forum hero told me use the sun so I left the tire in the direct sun for about an hour or so before doing anything.

The bag routine?? Someone else on the forum (another hero) posted a link to a video that demonstrated the plastic bag method
(Sorry I can't find it now.)
Soap/water or tire lub might work on smooth rims but my rims are painted but rough and it didn't work.
The plastic bag gives the tire a smooth surface to slide on.

As other have said -
1. Remove the valve, put the tube in the tire and blow it up a little. (I did it a few times just to be sure it was not creased.)
2. I guess flap insertion come here but I don't use them.
3. With the tube in the tire put the valve stem thru the hole in the rim and both beads inside the rim.
4. Next use the plastic bag routine - I was amazed how easy it was - It took a little pressure and sometimes persuasion with the rubber hammer to help the bead slide over the edge of the rim.

The tire bars? They helped get the tire off the rim.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:00 am:

Royce did you really change a tire by hand no tools? Could you video that and post it on the internet so people could try it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 07:20 am:

I've posted pictures of it several times on this forum Kep. Perhaps someone knows how to find one of those threads?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Poane on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 07:49 am:

Kep, here is a video on changing tires without tools. It uses the plastic bag method.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6sH8WRl6yI


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 07:50 am:

Pics:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/256320.html?1325091009

video (bag method)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6sH8WRl6yI


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:18 pm:

YES That's the video showing the bag trick.

Given the ease of re-installing an old tire with the bag (don't forget the heat from the sun) I can imagine that a new tire can be done without tools.

Removing an old tire can be a pain - but heat from the sun makes it easier.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 02:26 pm:

But the pictures are not the same. Trick photography and all that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 09:18 pm:

Several years ago I read where you should do it on the car. I tried it and did not like it so I demounted the rim and laid it on the floor. That was when I just had the TT. Once we got the Touring (with non demountables) I had no choice but to change them on the car. Well guess what? Now, I'd rather change them on the car than on the floor.

Hopefully, I won't need to change a rear on the TT for a long time. They HAVE to come off and go on the floor.


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