Body ID Stamp or Makers mark???

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 07:52 pm:

While working on a 1925 steel door fordor I found this stamp in the left main sill, near where the driver's left foot would be placed. It clearly reads "IP1924". Is it the manufacturer's year of origin or what? Who is "IP"?
fordor


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Stinchcomb, Trumbull, CT on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 08:29 pm:

At first glance, I thought it read "HP" with the H connected to the P.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 08:52 pm:

Impounded Police 1924


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 10:09 pm:

Interesting Jack!
That made me take a look at my '25 Fordor and, sure enough, here's the number...... :-)

25 Fordor Sill Number


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Sosnoski on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 10:11 pm:

It's probably HP - Highland Park.

Dave S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Sosnoski on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 10:13 pm:

Should have also noted this is probably a body serial number. Ford started adding them sometime in 1925. There is usually a plant indication, a number and sometimes a space and another single digit.

Dave S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 08:55 am:

When you posted "Maker's Mark" you got my attention.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 08:56 am:

When you posted "Maker's Mark" you got my attention.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 09:02 am:

Sorry for the double post. I don't know how that happened.
Gary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 09:37 am:

Gary, might have had something to do with the Maker's Mark... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 10:18 pm:

I was able to take a closer look at the "makers mark", with a magnifying glass and the first letter is not an "I" it is part of an H. The separation in the wood goes through the middle of the H and nearly obliterate the center of the letter. Yes, I accept that the body was probably made at the Highland Park plant. What I thought was a year of manufacture, 1924, is probably the serial number of the body. The car is titled 1925, so year of manufacture could have possibly been 1924. I think I was wrong. I am amazed that it is an early serial number. The body does have a cowl vent. This body must be early in the production of cowl vented bodies.
I have found no other numbers in the woodwork.
Cheers, and on the rocks!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 11:35 pm:

My '27 Fordor has an HP followed by a number that I feel is the body number.

There was a thread about this some time back and Hap was collecting the information.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Harris (Napier, NZ) on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 11:52 pm:

I am sure that the H running into the P signified Highland Park but just at this moment can not put my fingers on the info.

My main purpose of posting is to bump this back up to the top in the hope that HaP will enlighten us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 08:24 am:

All -- thanks for bumping it up. Yes, I am collecting this sort of information. Yes, the HP most likely stands for Highland Park.

Still to be confirmed -- is it an early assembly plant number indicating that the Fordor body was mated to the chassis at Highland Park or is it an indication of where the body was made -- i.e. Highland Park but that the body could have been shipped to another assembly plant to be placed onto a chassis? Or did it mean something else? I am hoping that as we gather additional information we will be able to tell if the "blue puzzle piece" is part of the sky or part of the water. For sure we know it is blue. In this case we are fairly sure the HP is for Highland Park. But to designate where the body was made or to designate where the body was assembled to the chassis is still to be figured out. (Or if someone out there knows -- please let us know!).

Again thank you all for your support.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Sosnoski on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 09:18 am:

I'm pretty sure all of the bodies (except the Coupe) were being built by Ford at this time. For the open cars, Ford was putting together sub-assemblies at Highland Park (if I remember correctly) which consisted of the sides of the body fully assembled with the wood and doors installed. These were packed in RR cars and shipped to the branch plants with all the rest of the parts to assemble the body. The branch plants would assemble the body paint and upholster it, then install it on the chassis.

I'm not sure exactly how the closed cars were handled. Could have been done the same way or they could have shipped all the pieces and had the entire assembly done at the branch plant.

I read someplace that all of the Fordor bodies were built at Highland Park. Don't know if this is actually true. So far, all the Fordor body numbers I've seen have been HP numbers.

Dave S.


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