Another T Tractor Conversion Kit

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Another T Tractor Conversion Kit
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 10:15 pm:

Brought this home and the more I look at it, the more questions I have. More education on the forum!
Here is the basic 1922 powered conversion.



I will need to build a couple of sprockets back up on this side. Anyone know what kind of conversion this is?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 10:17 pm:

The hub on these wheels are big and heavy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 10:20 pm:

I need information on this attachment. Anyone have pictures of the linkage used to engage the pulley?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 10:22 pm:

Anyone recognize this transmission?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 10:25 pm:

This pulley is an idler that supports the belt when it is run back to the saw that was mounted on the back of the tractor. I won't understand how this was all assembled until I take it apart.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim york on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 01:17 am:

Hi Lance, the PTO looks like an Easy Power with a clutch pulley on the out put shaft. I have never seen one that way but that just means I have never seen one. Great Conversion but that is the only thing that I recognize. Thanks for the pictures. Jim PS in the last picture I see a broken tooth on a drive pinion and in the other pict of the same drive pinion there is another tooth gone . ouch


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim york on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 01:24 am:

Hi Lance, they really narrowed up the rearend on that one. Can you show a pict of it from down below to show where they shortened it up? Thanks Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 01:24 am:

Too bad there isn't a LIKE button on here, I'd hit it. I especially like the 30 x 3 1/2 on the left and the 440-21 on the right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 08:20 am:

Stan, It had matching tires on it until the auction people pulled it sideways and broke the spokes out. That was right after they let the bucket on the tractor take out the radiator. This happened before the auction. They then changed the listing on the internet to not running.

Jim, I have put this one out on the farm, I might bring it back to the shop soon for our club winter garage meetings. Its fun to have club members start T's for the first time. Thanks for the information.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert G. Hester Jr., Riverview, FL on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 11:10 am:

Hi, Lance. Your pulley at the front has a built-in clutch which is missing the engaging mechanism and lever. I have one of those E-Z Power power take-off units and it has a clutch built into it. So, mine just has a plain pulley. Not sure why yours needs a clutch pulley, perhaps it's a different make?

Btw, that's a powerful handsome tractor. Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 02:28 pm:

I talked to a long time mechanic today, he has extensive experience cobbling long out of production parts back to life.

The gear can be rebuilt with welding rod. Layer up stainless beads until the form is back and grind to form. Then top off with Duraweld for better wear characteristics and regrind to form again.

If this trick can make a 45 ton Cat crawler work again it should be good enough for a one ton 20hp tractor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Mullis on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 03:16 pm:

I would love to find an un restored tractor kit.
Maybe someday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 03:29 pm:

Am thinking the transmission is REO.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 03:51 pm:

Brian, our local blacksmith rebuilds gears all the time for steam engines drives and specializes in welding up exhaust manifolds for the old gas caterpillar engines. The only problem I will have is paying him! Thanks, I hope to have it running for spring planting!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 04:31 pm:

That is one of the neatest T tractor conversions I have yet seen! Congratulations!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Mullis on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 05:14 pm:

Shouldn't there be a category for "Tractor Conversions" In the photo gallery index?
Just asking.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren W. Mortensen on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 05:33 pm:

Looks to me like an expanding shoe clutch similar to what you find inside the flywheel on most steam & early gas traction engines. From what I can see, it looks like you're only missing the easy parts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 06:06 pm:

That certainly is a nice tractor. What makes that one different is the small bull gear. Not much gear reduction there. That one requires the auxiliary transmission for additional gear reduction. Most kits had much larger bull gears and no need for an extra transmission.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brandon French-Tigard, Or on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 06:33 pm:

That is such a cool tractor. John Deere eat your heart out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 07:32 pm:

Here is the saw unit as mounted. I removed it right away, since I think a better set-up could be built if I ever wanted to use it. I have been told that they are rough riding little buggers with the cleats left on! I would probably get off the tractor and fall right into the blade. It came with the busted wheel, so all I have to do is remove the demountable and put on a good hub. I took the hood off for the windy ride home.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 07:35 pm:

Forgot the picture!

T Tractor 4.JPG


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donald Hagstrom on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 08:35 am:

Lance,
That is a sweet tractor conversion!! The clutch pulley on the E-Z Power has been added on but it is neat & I'm sure very handy during the day when it was in use.

Must have been a good Ford collector's sale looking at the Model n tractor, the Model f tractor & the Ford n series with the Arps tracks in the background.

You HAVE to get it fixed up and running! I can attest they attract people bigtime at shows. People walk right past the shiney super restored tractors to see these old beasts chuggin away doing something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7APpd3wew


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 10:07 am:

I have been waiting for you to post Donald. Do you suppose the cast cover with name cast in (mine is blank) was lost or was it sold by another company with the clutch? The pulley is larger than yours. Pretty neat that the belt can be run to the back for rear belt work! The auction results should be listed. It was another VanDerBrink sale.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donald Hagstrom on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 10:25 am:

I'm positive that is an E-Z power. I suspect the cast access plate was lost or broken sometime & replaced with a home made one.

It is amazing how creative & ingenious they were back in the day to make things work! The clutch would be so handy when operating the buzz saw as well as most other belt driven equipment since the E-Z Power was a direct drive. I've never seen any reference in the literature that a clutch option was available for the E-Z power unit.

I also noted the holes in your pulley surface. Because paper or leather faced pulleys would pull more & slip less it was common to put a leather face on steel pulleys. I believe that is what those holes are in your pulley Lance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 10:32 am:

I would guess that the belt pulley and clutch were adapted to the EZ Power unit from some other farm machine, probably an old Threshing machine that had the clutch on it. Threshing machines usually have a clutch set up similar to that for both the main power and the blower, some also have other clutches for grain elevators, sackers, etc. It would have been pretty easy to adapt that clutch to the Ford unit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 11:21 am:

Here are some photos of an EZ Power PTO unit:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/298979.html?1343589464

And a Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7APpd3wew&feature=youtu.be

Note that the output shaft (in the video) on the "standard" unit without the clutch is much shorter then the unit with the clutch. Maybe the clutch was an option from EZ Power because I bet the longer output shaft would be hard to find laying around.
Jim


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