Recharged Magnet Held 18.278 Pounds

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Albert Treece on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 05:35 pm:

application/mswordRecharged Magnet Statistics Chart
MTFCA Attachmant.rtf (25.1 k)
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MTFCA Magnet Recharging RECONCIEVED for Model T Fords.rtf (14.1 k)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Allen Vitko on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 05:55 pm:

From what I have tested it sounds about right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 09:00 pm:

Max,
It would be interesting to see your magnet strength testing procedure, can you post a photo?

Also I wonder if you can explain, "This (stronger magnets) will reduce the no response dead zone in spark advance."? The dead zone on the spark advance is inherent with the power supplied from the magneto and the strength of magnets (either stronger or weaker) will have no effect on it.

You can find a very good description of the Model T ignition system at:
http://www.funprojects.com/pdf/Model%20T%20Ignition%20System-Final%20Artiticle.p df

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Albert Treece on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 10:50 pm:

Place lead weights, or rocks, in pail to approach final holding weight. Then slowly pour water into pail until it drops one eighth inch where it is caught. Dip out estimated amount of water for your reaction time. Slide steel bar and pail off slotted aluminum angle and weigh on $17 Harbor Freight Digital Scale. This is all explained on my CD.
This is my first post and I do not know how to post a picture other than uploading the attachment above.
I do not know to post a photo. I uploaded the photo, but it exceed 200K. I will copy it and try to reduce it. Max Treece


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Albert Treece on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:13 pm:

Paul Vitko
The electro-magnetic flux created by an electrical coil is the product of the number of turns times amperes of current. My two slip-on coils of 144 turns each of $14.12 for 50 feet each of #14 thin insulated Home Depot wire are powered by a $40 Harbor Freight, circuit breaker protected, battery charger in the 55 ampere start mode. I have charged 296 magnets sitting at my living room desk. I charge every molecule by using keepers (flux bars) that bridge any gaps. Order my compact disk and it will show simple 1 inch multi-ended keeper bar machining requirements. Sometimes 3/4 inch keeper bar is used and a straight bar is placed on each side of a gap, thus using 3 bars for an initial charge. Then there is the final charge keeper that gets the tips. This technology is restoration, not grinding the ends which alters the weight. The original magnet weight was very closely controlled by Ford as I have recorded for the 296 magnets. The initial weights were measured with a scientific analog scale. Later, I bought a $17 Harbor Freight digital scale which is as precise and very much faster.
After experimenting with tapping the bend toward the ends while charging, I abandoned the idea as folklore. This is when the new battery charger died from being on too long while tapping went on. Several minutes later an internal circuit breaker clicked and it was alive again.
Batteries should be avoided because a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gases come out the vent holes. A spark could be a disaster. A sandwich truck driver lost both eyes instantly by looking for water with a cell cap removed while using a lighter. This is not directly relevant, but is not easily forgotten.
My CD is $17.
My only photo edit program is Picasa 3 which does not appear to reduce the 1.48 MB photo to less than 200 KB. Have any suggestions.

Max Treece


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Allen Vitko on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 12:47 am:

Click on my name and send me your address. I like to keep my mind open and I learn new ideas often on this forum. Grinding the magnets simply reduces the magnetic air gap to give more surface area for lifting as all my lifts are from the magnet ends. A floor switch is used for the battery to keep sparks away.
You might try the HP download for pictures its free and works well for me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Albert Treece on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 10:24 pm:

Paul Vitko
My address is
MAX TREECE
5052 WINDSOR DR
SAN DIEGO, CA 92109-1341
The CD is $15, not $17. Max


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 12:16 am:

Does your charger have an accurate ammeter that indicates current draw or did you use a separate meter? Assuming you were using 55A, your nearly 16k amp-turns is sufficient to charge the magnets but there is nothing new in your methods except how the magnets were tested. There's no secret about how to charge magnets. It would be interesting to compare the lift using the method that's most commonly used here for Model T magnets. At least we'll see a comparison of apples to apples. I'm sure you put a lot of effort into your study but a $15 CD that shows a new test method seem unnecessary.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 11:11 am:

What I would like to see is the performance of the car with the magnets charged to pick up 18.278 lbs. My questions would be, "How many volts output from the magneto?", "Does this charge cause any problems or improvements crank starting?", "Does the engine have more or less power?", "Does that magnetic charge cause the engine to work harder to overcome the magnetic resistance?", "Does it burn more gas with that much charge?", and "How long will the magnets stay charged to pick up 18.278 lbs?"

This is not meant as a praise nor criticism of Max's new method.

Without the answers to these questions, we really don't know whether this method of magnet charging is better or worse than those in current practice.

Norm Kling


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 11:38 am:

Norman
The Model T coil is a current device.
A properly adjusted coil will fire at 1.3 amps (average) at 2 volts and any higher voltage only makes it get to operating current a bit faster.
In my view all this chasing magnet lifting strength is like chasing a fly with a Howitzer when the flyswatter works fine.
As I stated elsewhere, a properly operating Model T magneto will produce 200 watts of power and the coils only need a fraction of that to operate the ignition system satisfactorily.
Ron the Coilman


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