Winching on to trailer

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Winching on to trailer
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Sandberg on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 04:00 pm:

I need to winch onto a trailer REAR END 0f 23 T ON FIRST. What is the best way to hitch up to the rear of my 23 touring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Lawson Texas on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 04:09 pm:

Run the cable under your car and connect to the front bumper.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz-Knoxville,TN on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 04:25 pm:

I usually put my cars on backwards because of the visors, i just put a strap around the rear axle housing and pull it on, since it is a rolling load there is no strain on the tube, it would take several million pounds of pull to pull the ball out of the socket or bend the housing. These cars just don't weigh much. I have a calculator for measuring winch loads, my 26 coupe has a rolling load of about 200#.It all depends on the angle, the surface etc.
Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 06:17 pm:

Ha, ha, ha a front bumper on a '23 touring. Now thats a good one! I totally concur with Mr. Goelz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike D, Williamsburg VA on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 06:32 pm:

I just put a strap around front axle and winch it on the trailer.
As you can see I pull it straight on, I'm afraid if it's on backwards..and a door should open..that would do allot of damage.
I've pulled it down the interstate at 70mph with no problems to the visor.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 10:02 pm:

Wouldn't it be better to put your strap around the rear spring where it joins the frame ?

No expert here....just asking.

schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 10:23 pm:

I'm with you Bud.
I only connect to the frame or crossmember, front or rear.
That's a lot of jerking on the wishbone mount on the oil pan and the four ears where the bolts go in the ball cap when the car is tied down that way.
Folks have been doing it that way for years and most get by with it but I still cringe when I see them pull real hard on one end to sinch it all tight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 11:49 pm:

I never have had to winch my Ts on a trailer except when I first bought each of them in non - running condition. Why do you guys not want to drive on the trailer?

I agree you should always connect tie downs or tow straps to the frame or springs, never the axles.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:27 pm:

By putting the straps onto the frame of the car, every time you hit a bump and the body of the car bounces in a downward direction, the straps become loose. It's better to have the straps on the axle where they can't come loose. The body can still bounce around, but the springs will hold it to the axle and the car won't move around or even have a strap come off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 03:01 pm:

Actually by putting the straps on the frame the car does not bounce as much, and the straps stay tighter. If you strap to the axles the car bounces more and the straps loosen more readily.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Schedler, Sacramento on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 03:04 pm:

I have 15,000+ miles of towing my T on a trailer tied to the axles. Two Straps front and two rear plus one from front to rear center and one from rear to front center. Works great for me.

Mark, you and I think alike.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Schedler, Sacramento on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 03:08 pm:

Royce, I don't agree but isn't it nice to be able to have those disagreements? My straps do not loosen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 03:19 pm:

Hal;
I do mine like you do with the exception of the last two straps that you use.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timothy Kelly on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 03:29 pm:

Attaching the straps to the frame of the car will most certainly increase the chances of creating a problem.

As Mark mentioned above if the straps are attached to the frame, every time the trailer encounters a bump the suspension of the car being hauled will compress which in turn creates slack in the strap. In the best case scenario, the worst that happens is the car being hauled gets beat to death, as every time the car's suspension compresses it will be met with a sudden jerk once it returns to the end of its rope. The worst that can happen is the strap becomes unhooked while compressed.

Granted, modern cars are tied down by straps attached to the car's frame. The difference is that when modern cars are being tied down, their suspension is compressed to the point that no further compression will occur when the trailer bounces. This takes significant force in the tie down process. If one were to compress the suspension on an early car, like they do with modern cars, other things would break.

The best method to strap cars to the trailer is with nylon netting forming a basket over each of the tires. Using this approach ensures that none of the tie down hardware ever touches the car.

The next best method is to attach the straps to the car's axles. The straps should be tight, but not over tightened.

In addition, the straps should be straight with the car. Crossing them will allow the car to walk to one side of the trailer if one of the crossed straps comes loose for some reason.

My views have been shaped by trailering antique autos for 40 years with both open and enclosed trailers. During this time I have probably covered more than 50 thousand miles with a trailer chasing me.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, I also wish to acknowledge that virtually all aspects of trailering antique cars is like a religion. Everybody has their own views, and nothing anybody says or writes is likely to change their minds.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Whaley, Georgetown Ontario Canada on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 05:49 pm:

When I pulled my '25 home on an open trailer, I used 4 x 10,000 lbs. straps. Two running from the front axle to the back of trailer and two running from the rear axle to the front of the trailer, all 4 were kept parallel to the car. Truck was kept tight, and no pulling stress on the ball socket. Pulled it from WV to Ontario and never had to tighten a strap once.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 06:19 pm:

If you torque the straps down from the frame so the springs are loaded some the car should not bounce.
Leaving the straps just snug from frame to trailer is asking for trouble. You gotta pull them DOWN.
If you tie them from the axles straight down to the trailer then the body & frame assy. can bounce around and not cause any undue stress on anything.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 06:59 pm:

The original question asked about hooking a winch to the T to tow it up onto a trailer. I think without question less stress is put on the car if the winch is attached to the frame or springs near the frame. Towing a car is a different type of stress than tying it down and transporting it over a bumpy road.

Don didn't ask the best way to attach tiedowns to transport the car, He asked about the best way to winch (read as tow) the car up on a trailer.

Think of it this way. If you were winching the car up a 89 degree incline (near vertical), would you attach to the axle or the frame?

Some modern cars come with towing hooks. They are attached to the frame, not the suspension.

schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 10:38 pm:

Royce
Have you ever driven on a trailer and by some quark of fate (in the begining)go over the front, Red faced and not funny. Only happened once but that was enough. Do what you feel comfortable doing and enjoy the hobby.I agree with Harold. To each his own.

by 2 cents worth.
Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen- Central Minnesota on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 10:59 pm:

As a former heavy equipment transporter with over a million safe miles hauling virtually anything that moves from ATVs to 265,000 lb backhoes, I'll second most of Tim Kelly's suggestions. I respectfully disagree with strapping in-line as opposed to crossing. Crossing the tiedowns will prevent sideways motion that in-line tiedowns will not. If there is a concern about tie down failure, double up.


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