Tire Pumps

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Tire Pumps
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie Rathbone on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 09:06 pm:

I have this old 3 tube pump which I just installed new piston seals into. The middle size seal installs upside down. The porting on the bottom looks to be from the large tube to the middle, and then to the small. It is a VICTOR "Half a minute" My question is with out a load, there seams to be a lot of resistance like the air is not flowing freely and barley spurts out the hose. I know its not the seals are to tight and all the passages are open. Can anyone please help explain this thing to me , and any ideas as where to get a brass working tire chuck for the hose ? Are the seals installed the right way ? All input appreciated. Thanks in advance, Will


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 09:22 pm:

There should have been a couple of check valves in there. Did you get one in wrong?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie Rathbone on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 09:40 pm:

I didnt see any. Where are they ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 10:05 pm:

There is usually one at the base of hose. It may just be a small ball bearing that prevents backflow. Look in the base to see if there are others between sections of the pump.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Knoll on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:46 am:

I also Have one of these I redid with new leather seals . I can't remember if there was a check valve , but I seem to think no there wasn't. I pretty much had the same experience you did. I wasn't impressed with the Compound pump action / theory ....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Knoll on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:49 am:

another thing , you will notice there are a lot more of the 3 tube pumps that are side by side, and not so many of these that are in a triangle shape...maybe they are rarer, or maybe they just never did work well....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Knoll on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:50 am:

you probably need one of these to make it actually usable :

http://macsautoparts.com/ford-tire-pump-adapter-check-valve-a17052adap/camid/MDT /cp/OY0H7HFB1000108/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:59 am:

Patent for a multi barrel pump . . .

Jacobs Funck
Rochester, New York
Assignor to Judd and Leland Mfg. Co.
Clifton Springs, New York
Pneumatic Pump
Patent number: 842142
Filing date: Oct 3, 1906
Issue date: Jan 22, 1907
http://tinyurl.com/96rhoqx

Regards
Art


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:25 am:

There's typically a check valve at the end of the hose that screws onto the valve stem. When it's connected, the valve core pushes the check valve open and when pumping the air pressure pushes the valve core open.
In that setup if the pump isn't connected to a valve stem w/core it will be hard to pump.
Hope this makes sense.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 05:20 pm:

On the subject of tire pumps. Does anyone sell authentic type hose end connectors that screw onto the tire stem? I have about a half dozen old tire pumps I would like to restore. Including one like the one above.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 05:41 pm:

Wayne - I'll bet a good bike shop would have them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie Rathbone on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 06:05 pm:

I need a brass hose chuck for this pump too. I found an old piece of 1/4 I'd acetyline hose looked close to original.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 12:19 am:

I've tried bike shops several times. All I've found were the modern plastic lever gizmos.
But thank you for the thought.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 08:18 am:

Recommend you contact Lang's. They have a tire pump repair kit see: http://www.modeltford.com/item/2338RK.aspx and in their photo shows the brass part I believe you are looking for. But you probably would prefer to purchase just that part. They may be able to point you to the source for the kit who might be willing to sell the single part.

They also sell a "non-functioning" one at: http://www.modeltford.com/item/2338CS.aspx I'm not quite sure if the one in the kit above is the same one or a different one?

And if that becomes a dead end -- I would recommend contacting the
Restoration Supply Company
15182B Highland Valley Road
Escondido, CA 92025
(800) 306-7008
(760) 741-4014
24hr Fax (760) 739-8843
www.RestorationStuff.com info@RestorationStuff.com

If they do not have then (I looked briefly and did not see them listed) they certainly would consider producing them if there was enough interst in them.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off

It sounds like Lang's may have one that is non-functional:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken McGirr on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 10:08 am:

I have never seen one of these apart so am shooting from the hip here. If there are no mechanical check vales (ball and seat type) I wonder if the seals on the pistons are "cup type" with the large and small pistons having the cup facing down and the middle piston with the cup facing up. Just theory from here. Too much coffee this morning maybe. A check would be needed in output port or hose to be efficient.

Ken


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken McGirr on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 10:18 am:

I meant "check valves". Tooo much coffee. Waiting for it to get above freezing to set the body off my first T. It is now 26 degrees. I want to get the chassis inside today to start the rebuild.

Ken


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 10:24 am:

Don't worry about it, Ken. In the original post, I puzzled for a moment about how barley could spurt out the hose. Then I realized that was also a typo. For many of us, the mind works faster than the fingers.... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 10:55 am:

At least that would be better than barley spurting out of your nose.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken McGirr on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 11:13 am:

Been in a couple establishments where a form of barley spurted from a hose. This also required a check (assuming cash not available). It is now up to 31 so looks like about time to go to work and get the body off the T. Can't understand all the talk about winter storage??? Drove the winding 6 miles to town yesterday in a T and enjoyed the Christmas card like view (fresh snow on the pines) of the Black Hills of S.D. It was a 25 degree morning but I was comfortable in the coupe.

Ken


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 11:37 am:

Ken - If you'd been driving a roadster, touring or depot hack instead of your warm and comfortable coupe, you'd have probably understood why the talk about winter storage,....ha, ha,.....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken McGirr on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 02:32 pm:

Harold,

Maybe I just have not recovered from the 106 degree heat experienced this summer while on a 1900+ mile tour. Tip the windshield out - enjoy the engine heat...Close it and enjoy no breeze. What fun we had though.

Willie,

I seem to remember an old hand pump with "reed" type valves built into the pistons also. .. Likely I'm not much help but something needs to hold the air as it moves from the larger tubes to the smaller ones and then out the hose. Cool hand pump .. I'm jealous.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie Rathbone on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 04:19 pm:

I found out were to get working thread on brass air chucks. :VEESUN.COM

search: valve stem adapter


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