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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DAN R. HUYETT on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 10:23 am:

Three cars to be sold at auction that are said to be original condition, in storage for years, not drivers,but may have potential. 1923 center door, 1928 Phaeton AR, 1931 2 door sedan.
www.simnittauction.com/121103-rev-richard-taylor-estate-auction.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 10:46 am:

Dan;
Where is Berryton, Kansas??????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 10:52 am:

The 1928 Phaeton AR would be worth the highest if it is in good condition followed by the 1923 center door and the 1931 tudor sedan.

My reasoning is that the Phaeton was an open car and less of them remain after so many years. Model A's cost more than Model T's. The centerdoor was a more expensive Model T, however, because of the extensive wood in the body, not many are left in good condition, and although Model A's today cost more than Model T's, the tudor sedan is a very common model and many remain in good condition.

These are just my guesses, I could be wrong. Any old car is actually worth what the seller can get for it.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DAN R. HUYETT on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 11:01 am:

Berryton, Kansas is about 10 miles southeast of Topeka.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 11:02 am:

Berryton is about 66 miles west of Kansas City according to google maps :-)
http://goo.gl/maps/xNCP3


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 11:06 am:

Interesting question. Of course, auctions bring in prices that are influenced by impulse and emotion under pressure, as opposed to calm reflection; and competition raises the prices much higher than would otherwise be the case—as if any of us didn't already know that.

Certainly, the Centerdoor is the star of the show. Tires that can hold air is always a good sign, but the car's originality is only of greatest worth if you assume a hang-the-expense, restoration process for some museum, so the price of acquisition is but a fraction of the real cost.

Then, on the other hand, this car might remain a semi-running "preservation car," as they're very much in vogue right now and a private owner is more likely to have that in mind. I was taught to drive the Model T in a 1914 Barn Find that had spent 50 years in a chicken coop, and which had remained untouched except for the drive train and tires. Quite an enjoyable and enlightening experience, that.

An experienced Model T horse-trader, such as would be found here on this forum, might low-ball an offer of $5,000 for the Centerdoor (I'm just guessing), but auctions are by nature unpredictable, so in the end, the old cliche about it being worth whatever somebody is willing to pay, holds true.

Hm. Might someone like me who can talk a lot without really saying anything have a future in politics?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 11:24 am:

No, Bob - you tell the truth, so you wouldn't get too far in politics ;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 11:30 am:

My inclination was $5000 for any of the three. Lots of interesting items there. I bet some of the buggies bring more than the cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 11:40 am:

Dan:

Without being there to see the Center Door and see how good the wood is I would estimate somewhere around $6,000. It appears that there is still a lot of original paint left on the body. Which is a good sign for the wood. Remember a CENTER DOOR has a lot of wood in it. Check the doors they are a real weak point in Center Doors. The interior would not bother me as you don't want old stinky material in it anyway. I upholstered three center doors and some earlier coupes and found that 84 Chevrolet Sedans use identical material. I believe that is the correct year, I have not bought any lately.
As you may know Auctions can be very low price or very high price. The last auction I went to had a real poor auctioneer who did absolutely NO ADVERTISING. There was only about 20 people there and the first 10 items sold at ONE DOLLAR EACH. It cost the guy thousands of dollars to get the wrong auctioneer. On the other hand you can go to well advertised auctions that have hundreds of people and high prices. I suspect that just putting the Center Door and the two Model As in the Forum will bring up some strong bidding on all three.
center door

center door


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 02:54 pm:

Steve is going to be "So there"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 08:43 pm:

My first impression was of lots of stuff you'd have to pay me to haul away. Time-wise, space-wise, and money-wise, the last thing I need is another vehicle. But looking at the slide show I spotted a couple of tempting items. Depending on how much I get done here this week, I may have to take the time to go and check it out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 08:53 pm:

I wouldn't pay over $4500.00 for the centerdoor and you couldn't give me the Model A's. But like Steve I see other things that are of interest.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 09:00 pm:

Mike,

Why would you not accept a free Model A? Just trying to understand your reasoning. Do you already have too many cars, or is it because you don't like Model A's?

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 09:17 pm:

Steve;
How far is that auction from you?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, October 29, 2012 - 10:49 pm:

That's about four hours away. Maybe worth the time if I get enough done here. I'd be interested in one of the A's if not for all the reasons cited above.

By the way, I agree with Bob about auctions sometimes. At some of them there is a feeding frenzy and people pay too much. But other times you come away with ridiculously cheap bargains. I went to one last year where Model T hubs sold for $1 each, and so did 26-27 gas tanks. I paid $11 for a trailer load of rear axles, front axles, wheels, springs, fenders, pans, etc., plus the like-new iron timing gear that's going in my Fordor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 08:56 am:

Neil, there's nothing unique about Model A's. They're what Henry did between the Model T's and the flathead V8's in order to still have a car on the road while he developed something that would have as much an effect on the market as his Model T's did. Ok,ok I'll come clean. There was a time I had a Model A in storage for about 10 years. I wanted to buy it really bad but the woman I was married to was adamant that my '38 pickup was all we really needed. That whole argument left such a bad taste in my mouth you couldn't give me a Model A any more. Well now she's history and maybe it's time for me to change my tune. I apologize for any anxiety I might have caused. I guess it's really not fair to take it out on you guys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 08:58 am:

As a matter of fact Neil, I use to feel the same way about Corvettes and about a month ago I went out and bought one. But I still won't buy a tri-five Chebby.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 09:31 am:

Mike;
Ditto on the gone for good. She bitched every time I would drag an old rusty Model T home. I went to Minn. or some place west of Rochester Minn and picked up 3 Model T's, well parts of Model T's and coming through Chicago lost my lights on my trailer. Jerry rigged them, and lost them again, south of Chicago.
We had a place on the lake in northern Indiana, made it there with my 4 way flashers going, she was there. It was about 11:00PM, when I got there. Boy, was she pissed. Maybe, that's the reason.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 07:43 pm:

This is my first Model T. My dad would not let me buy one when I was a kid as he thought they are too unsafe. I always drove Model A's. I have had a number of different ones. I really like them. They have a lot of the Model T character. They sound great, drive nice, and looks nice. They are fairly fast and fairly modern, such as 4 wheel brakes and gear steering, but still antique enough to satisfy me. I want to buy one as soon as I can afford it. I also want a Stanley Steamer, but that will have to wait for a lottery win.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dexter Doucet on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 08:35 pm:

Next best thing to a model T is a model A. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 10:57 pm:

Well, they all look like barn-kept cars and in fine condition compared to what usually shows up nowadays.
Neil, I've wanted a Stanley for years too--came close a couple of times, and even have a 20 hp engine and a rear axle case (won't go into why I don't have the guts, sad story); but now I realize that such a car requires a trailer big enough for it, AND a tow vehicle big enough too. Way outa my budget, so I've given up on that notion. I even have some plans to build a copy of a Gentleman's Speedy Roadster (07) that I did in college. Can't believe all that time has gone by already!
So here I am with the Model A I started with (in 8th grade) and 3-1/2 Ts and one Dodge Bros. And parts of a steamboat. That's enough to keep me busy for quite a while, I suspect!
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:22 pm:

The thing about a Model A's is they don't quite have the mystique of a car like the Model T. I grew up driving those old fords with flatheads and manual transmissions. With a Model A you get in, turn on the key, push the starter button, push in the clutch, put it in gear, let out the clutch and it goes. My son has a 2002 Oldsmobile Alero that for the most part has the same features. But people who can get into those Model A's and Oldsmobile Alero's and drive them can't necessarily jump into a Model T and take off. But Neil, you said the Model A has the Model T character and I can't argue that. They're pretty darn neat. And I relate to them because my Dad grew up having them around during the depression. And he always talked about them with a certain softness that made me think there was a lot of love and respect for the old cars. I still remember grandpa driving his Model A pickup until he traded it for a '39 Chevy truck and then traded that for his '51 Chevy 3100. My Uncle always laughed at his Model A hot rod with the flathead motor and the dual straight pipes that use to rattle the windows in the bakery in Grand Rapids when he was parked by it and would stomp on that old bugger. No, when you get right down to it, Model A's have their place and are pretty wonderful cars. And besides they're Fords!!! Ayyyeee!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:26 pm:

A unique thing about the Model A is its sound. No other car sounds the same.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:28 pm:

And I'm with the rest. Though I'd never have any place to put it, I'd like a Stanley Steamer. If y'all ever get out to Estes Park go to the Stanley House Motel. The guy that built the Stanley Steamer built it and he use to take people for tours in Stanley Steamers into the mountains. The Motel has a lot of neat history and besides it's haunted. Also part of Dumb and Dumber were filmed there and I think, don't hold me to it, but I think parts of "The Shining" were filmed there too. Ok, sorry for dragging on. I just wanted to offer up a few tidbits of what little bit of knowledge I've got about anything.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:33 pm:

Steve - I guess that's my favorite thing about Model A's too; the sound. The exhaust, especially at slow speed, has a certain "ring" to it that I like. I've often what makes that distinctive 'ring", and I wonder, if you put a Model A exhaust system on a Model T, if it would have that same distinctive "ring". After all, they're both very similar flathead 4 cylinder Ford engines, right? Never have compared the firing order, but I think they are the same. So, why does one ring and one doesn't??? What are your thoughts on that Steve?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:46 pm:

Now I'm intrigued. I always like the sound of my Model T's under power when I'm pulling a long hill and it's using all it's power but doing the job. And when I'm just lugging over the top in high gear and it's made the hill I have to smile. It reminds me of my Dad's old ford logging trucks and how he'd smile when he'd pull a full load of logs (3 1/2 cord of green popple bolts on a 14' flatbed)over the top of a long hill and make it with the two speed axle in high range. Now that's a sound that you never forget and my T's have that sound. But I'll have to check out the sound of the Model A's the next time they're around.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:55 pm:

Harold, Dunno. Too technical for me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Luke Dahlinger on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 12:01 am:

The tapered muffler has alot to do with the unique Model A sound as does the way the cam is ground.

A friend put a Model A tapered muffler on his '31 Plymouth and it does sound similar to a Model A at idle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 03:33 am:

Thanks Luke - Actually, those flathead Chrysler Corp 6-cyl engines have a sweet sound too, especially at idle. Ever hear one in something like a Chris-Craft speedboat? Just like "music", again, especially at idle.

Actually, the straight L-head sixes for marine use were called "Chrysler Crowns", and the straight eights were called "Chrysler Royals". Course, that was back in the '50's or so,.....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marshall V. Daut on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 04:50 am:

The similarity between a 1926-27 Model T Touring painted Gunmetal Blue with wire wheels and a 1928-29 Model Phaeton is undeniable. Here's our late '28 Phaeton (with outside door handles = December, 1928) painted Niagara Blue Light and Duchess Blue. My wife is at the wheel and a couple friends occupy the backseat. I am better versed in Model A's, but still have a special place in my heart for Model T's. In the "old days"(the 1960's for me!), owners of each wouldn't have anything to do with the other. 'Seems that there has been a lot of crossing over in the past 30 years where guys own both now - and love them equally well for different reasons. In 1977 I couldn't conceive of owning a Model T. All that changed in 1978 with my first T - a 1926 Coupe. I still prefer Model A's, but also love our Model T's. The argument between which is "better" will never be resolved.
MarshallCarol and 1928 Phaeton.jpg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 06:32 pm:

Love my 28 Model A Phaeton. Nice driving and handling car. It is completely different than driving a T. Then you can jump ahead to the Ford V-8, which again is a completely different driving car. Driving my 36 Roadster, the car fits you like a glove. With its light weight, low rear axle, and V-8 power, when you drive it, it feels like a little hot rod, outstanding performance.
In fact, I’ve never met a Ford I didn’t like. I have to say, if I had to get rid of them, the Model T would be the last to go. As far as the auction of the three cars, I think the Model A Phaeton will bring the most money.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 06:44 pm:

Dan,

Why is the windshield lower half laying back so far on the center touring compared to the end touring?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 06:48 pm:

The center one is a very early 13, the windshield is unusual as both halves are the same size. The other one is a 14, it has a different windshield slant.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 07:37 pm:

We have a '14 Touring also.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marshall V. Daut on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 08:26 pm:

Dan - Agreed. The "money car" of the lot is the Model A Phaeton and the end price will prove this to be correct.
Marshall


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 12:04 am:

I agree with Dan, "I never met a Ford I didn't like". Now today I was a little disappointed in a certain Chevrolet when I had to buy a right front tire for it and the thing cost me $435.00 for one tire. And when I asked the dealer about one of the back ones, he gave me a figure of $560.00. I knew I should have bought the Mustang.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 06:09 am:

Damn Mike;
What kind of Chebby do you have?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 07:47 am:

Mike, Never to late to trade up to that Mustang

Steve, Seems to be a lot of 13 and 14 survivors


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 10:36 am:

A December '28 built Model A is a 1929 model.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 11:07 am:

But the phaeton in this auction is referred to as an early AR model, so if it was produced in december it would be december of 1927.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marshall V. Daut on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 03:08 pm:

'Sorry, Royce. A Model A built in 1928 was a 1928 Ford, even in December. The features and appointments, however, varied in the last month of the year, depending upon the assembly plant. Mine came to me with the multiple disc clutch, power house generator and other 1928 features still in place, and a December engine number. The 1929 models would have changed all that to a single plate clutch and regular generator. Ford changed model year designations by this time in January. Plants used up what 1928 parts they had on hand before switching over to 1929 parts. The outside door handles on open cars were a 1929 feature that became available already in some assembly plants in December, 1928, finding their way onto cars going out during the last month of the year. Some 1928 open cars built during this time had the outside handles, some didn't. It depended upon the plant and parts availability. My car was a western car its whole life, probably built in California. It's likely that the new 1929 parts didn't reach any of the western assembly plants from Detroit until late 1928. Hence, the December Model A's may or may not have still been being built out of 1928 assembly line parts in the bins.
I wrote a story in 2000 for "The Restorer" about a local 1928 Business Coupe with only 16,000 miles on the odometer and all original top, interior, paint, red steering wheel, multiple disc clutch, powerhouse, etc. and original engine and running gear. It was like finding a car in a time capsule for originality and authenticity. The second owner was an antique Ford parts dealer, who'd had the car since 1961 and touched nothing except what wore out (tires, hoses, fan belt). This car was bought in January, 1929, after it was delivered to the dealership in December, 1928, as a 1928 model. It's titled as 1928 because in Iowa, titles matched the manufacturer's recognized production year, not year of the sale (January, 1929).
So, although some open cars made in December may have had the newer 1929 parts added, they were still considered 1928 Fords and were titled as such by most states. No Model A buff would consider my December, 1928, Phaeton with multiple disk clutch (the hardest thing to change out to "update" a Model A) a 1929 model. Some 1929 commercial vehicles, however, continued to be outfitted with obsolete 1928 assembly line parts until they were used up, while the passenger cars received the updated 1929 parts. Ford didn't become a multi-millionaire by throwing away perfectly good new parts on the assembly line just because they had been superseded by updated ones!
Marshall


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 06:22 pm:

Dave, what model are your head and side lamps?

Thanks,
Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 06:23 pm:

Sorry, I meant to ask Dave Killecut about the lamps.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 08:07 pm:

Richard and Dan, It's a Corvette. When I went to town that night I want to buy a Mustang GT with a V8/5speed manual. The town I live in is more auto dealers than anything else. I couldn't find a Mustang like I wanted. And I was being pretty adamant about the V8. When I came across the Vette and drove it I kind of instantly liked it. It's a '96 and only has 49000 miles on it and the price was exactly right. I think the Mustang I was looking for would have probably had about the same price for tires. The problem is, I owe my Model T parts man as much as I had to pay for that tire. So I'm going to peddle a couple handguns to help things out. I can't believe how foolish I feel though for having 2 Model T's and a Corvette and all 3 of them are going to be parked for the winter. I should have bought a Focus.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 08:54 pm:

Stephan, Lamps are all brass E&J, that were used from 1909 to 1912. This car is an extremely early 13, built Nov. 1912. It has many 1912 parts on it. An in-depth article on this car with comments from Bruce McCalley, Larry Smith and Russ Furstnow was published in the May/June 2010 Vintage Ford


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timothy Kelly on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 09:11 pm:

Marshall:

I have to agree with Royce.

Any Model A Ford produced late in a model year, say for discussion purposes December 1928, and even sold in December 1928, went out the door as next year's model, 1929. No buyer would lay out the cash for a "new" car that would be a model year old in a matter of days. The same holds true today.....except the advance dating has accelerated to many months.

Moreover, few states....if any....issued titles during the Model A era. The registrations that the states issued with license plates did not have a model year. Rather, the registration stated "Year first sold."

One of my 1931 (as I call it, since that's when it was manufactured) Town Car Deliveries has an old California registration that states the car was first sold in 1932. We all know that Ford did not produce a Town Car Delivery in 1932. Nevertheless, that's how the state registered the car.

So with all due respect, and I do consider myself a serious Model A Ford collector, I believe that a December 1928 Model A went out the door as a 1929 model. Notwithstanding this observation, I also agree that most Model A Ford collectors today refer to a December 1928 car as a 1928 model, not 1929. The distinction is, at least in my mind, how we refer to the cars today versus when they were new. I don't believe the thought process is the same.

Cheers,

Timothy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 06:47 am:

Mike, I had a similar situation in 2002. I was going to buy a new Mustang GT Convert. I wanted triple black standard shift. I was about to order one, when I ran into this 53 Merc. I bought this Merc instead. It came from Nevada, and it had only 48,000 miles on it, stick with overdrive. It is a near copy of my first car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 07:32 am:

Oh Dan, that is a beautiful Mercury. Please tell me you left the flathead in it. I know I don't even have to ask that.
Up until the divorce this was mine. We took the engine and warmed it up a bit but other than some fancy paint, nice wood and leather interior the chassis and body were left as it should be. And yes it came with all the chrome. It's what the dealers called a deluxe cab. We put Deluxe hubcaps off a car just for general principal but save the original '38 hubcaps that came with it. The little truck had been a road sanding truck in the 40's. When we got it we should have crushed it and not tried to make it what it is but what can I say? Now it sit's in it's own temperature and humidity controlled environment at her house. The stall that it's in sit's open to the house almost like it's part of the furniture. But it doesn't bother me! No seriously it doesn't much! Well maybe it bothers me just a little!! Ok, ok, I'm bothered a lot!! Oh yeah, I forgot my Prozac this morning. I'll be back in an hour or two.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 07:34 am:

Now these are my babies,


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 08:19 am:

Dan;
My first car,in 1956, was a '52 Mercury, the same color with a brown metalic(sp) top. I painted the rear quarters the same color as the top. Flathead with 3 on the tree, with overdrive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike dixon on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 08:20 am:

Mike, love the 38 truck, ive had a 39 ford pickup for 43 years now, its a street rod tho, did you try to buy the truck from the ol lady?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 09:05 am:

Mike, Yes it has the original Flathead in it. It cruises easily at 70 all day long. Why would anyone want to put anything else in it. it does have factory dual exhaust.
Richard, I have a bunch of Mercurys. I especially like this series. I have a 54 2dr hardtop I am the 2nd owner of, also a 53 convertible I built from pieces of 22 different cars. I also have a 46, 49, 51, and 56 Mercs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 09:26 am:

Dan, do you have the trailer to go with your '53?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:03 am:

Steve, Great shot. No I dont, probably a good thing. When I restored mine I kept watching this movie to keep me working on it. I had messed up my back and it took me three times as long to restore it than it normally does to do one. My car is almost a dead ringer for this one. My wife posts my pics and she is gone for the day. Ill have her post a pic of it later. If you look close at the movie you can see they used a Lincoln tricked out to look like a Merc for some of the shots.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:19 pm:

l see that centredor as a good buggy, l took the price up to $2000-00, it seems someone needs it more, but l'll keep looking at it.

wow if l had more land and a horse, l'd certainly be in for one of the two cute horse drawns.

David


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:28 pm:

Mike Dixon, No I knew better than to ask. When we built the truck we had to apply for a title here in Minnesota. So we took the appropriate photos, all the history back pretty close to when it was new, all of the bill of sales that applied took it in and were lucky enough to not have to buy a bond for it. So one day while I was at work, she took it upon herself to go put the truck in her name and my son's name. That way she figured it would automatically go to him when she's gone. I didn't argue with her and one of the first things she told me when we first discussed the divorce was to not bother trying to get the '38. And I didn't argue. Three years of my life with no time off and every dime I made went into that truck and she ended up with it. We entered that truck in probably 30 shows up until the divorce and ended up with 24 or 25 first place trophys. In the end I sold my 1953 F100 hot rod to help finance the '38. Because of my childhood with my Dad, and with those old flatheads that we worked on together and then having this '38 you might say I'm a little fanatical when it comes to flatheads. And I'm becoming very much that way with Model T's. I wish I had photos of the engine in that thing. It was a thing of beauty. When we built the engine we bored it all the way out as far as we could. If I remember right we took it out .187". We put in a Max 1 cam, Left the lifters alone but went bigger with the valves and put in stronger valve springs. We put on Offenhauser high comp heads and intake manifold. Stuck 2 Holley model 94's on it and some Fenton headers. Put in juice brakes, a '39 full synchro transmission and 3.54 ring and pinion. She was completely redone for the frame up. We'd drive down the Interstate at 75 mph and it was even working. She said she had plenty more if we needed it. But it's gone now. But that's ok I don't think I liked it anyway. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 12:19 am:

A little off-topic, but I still have my first car, a '30 A sport coupe.
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David D.
Ma Green
Back in 1975, family friend next to "Ma"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 02:23 am:

wow what a bargain at $2049-00, to the winning bidder, you got me by $50-00 , well done, you've got a great buy.

David


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 07:57 am:

Steve, Here are the pictures of my replica Lucy car (Long Long Trailer) First two taken of it during restoration construction of it.

Mike, Have you ever thought of selling the Chebby and using the funds to find another old Ford truck project? Your other one is gorgeous, you could always reproduce it.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 09:27 am:

Wow! That's an amazing reconstruction. Nice!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 09:52 am:

External door handles on open models were one of the key features of the 1929 Model A. A phaeton with external door handles is by definition NOT a 1928. It is easy to retrofit 1928 features such as a Powerhouse generator or a tuna can tail lamp or a red steering wheel. Not so easy to retrofit a correct set of doors.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 11:04 pm:

Dan, I'm finding I'm quickly becoming disenchanted with the Vette. It's super fast and fun to inadvertently tempt law enforcement but if I did get rid of it to build something else it would have to be a speedster first and then a '46 Ford coupe. The thing with the pre-war Fords is other than the sheet metal they're like t's , one part kinda fits all. But there's nothing like a flathead motor with a fine set of duals on it. I'd love to try a flathead with a four barrel instead of the 2 deuces and then a T-5 transmission and a 9" Ford. I'd still try to keep it as stock looking as I could but the thing would be bullet proof.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 04:43 am:

I really like those pictures of the '53 Mercs. One of my high school buddies had a '53 Merc. two door hard top,flathead V8 and auto trans. in the late sixties. Man did we have fun with that car!!!! Thanks for the memories Dan! Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bohlen, Severn MD on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 12:30 pm:

So what's the final call on the cars for sale at this auction?

Anybody know?

Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 05:35 pm:

David, Glad you enjoyed the Merc pics. This is a pic of my first Merc before I bought it. At one point I rolled it on its side in a ditch. I had to replace the door, but repaired the rest. These were the most popular cars when I was in high school. Six of us had them, all 2dr hard-tops. There was one 52, one 54, the rest were 53’s. This was the only Ford product I ever had problems with. It had not led an easy life. It belonged to a few kids before I bought it, none of us were easy on it. Being a NY car it was rusty underneath, and not worth saving or I would still have it. I did save anything that was good on it and used them on the Convertible. You can see the trunk lid in the reconstruction pictures


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 05:58 pm:

What did the centerdoor sell for?
Any one go?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Monday, November 05, 2012 - 12:19 am:

a very cheap $ 2049-00


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Monday, November 05, 2012 - 07:02 am:

What did the 2 Model A's sell for?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DAN R. HUYETT on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - 09:39 am:

Just getting around to posting the auction results as I heard and remember them. The 1923 center door must have been garage kept when in use...the wood and doors were in near perfect condition.. no replacement needed on this car. In a barn from 1940 to present.
It appeared to be original and complete except for a honeycomb radiator and no horn. Engine was free but did not start. Bidding started at $2100.00 Sold for $5100.00
The 1931 2 door sedan was a driver/survivor original car. Started and ran smooth, all the lights worked, including the turn signals if the window was down. All this car needed was 'out of storage' maintenance, fresh tires and enjoy. Sold for $7100.00.
Marshall, you were correct in your call on the "money car". The 1928 Phaeton AR was original, upholstery was down to the springs, and the top irons on the car in the auction photos were incorrect for the car. Very solid body but a big project, started and ran smooth.
Sold for $9400.00
They held the car parts to the very end of the day. Examples of prices:
'13 aluminum intake-$42.50 Atwater-Kent distributor with gears,looked like NOS but had a crack in the cap-$42.50 12 rivet rear end complete,chipped teeth on the ring gear and end play on axles-babbit washer?--$5.00 pair of TT rear wheels complete-$10.00 ea Brown #115 tail lamps-rough but good lenses-2 ea @ $42.50 and much much more.
The buggies sold low, $500.00 and $300.00...wish I had a barn and a couple of horses. They were very nice examples in usable condition.
The house and property did not sell.
Comments?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DAN R. HUYETT on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - 09:41 am:

Just getting around to posting the auction results as I heard and remember them. The 1923 center door must have been garage kept when in use...the wood and doors were in near perfect condition.. no replacement needed on this car. In a barn from 1940 to present.
It appeared to be original and complete except for a honeycomb radiator and no horn. Engine was free but did not start. Bidding started at $2100.00 Sold for $5100.00
The 1931 2 door sedan was a driver/survivor original car. Started and ran smooth, all the lights worked, including the turn signals if the window was down. All this car needed was 'out of storage' maintenance, fresh tires and enjoy. Sold for $7100.00.
Marshall, you were correct in your call on the "money car". The 1928 Phaeton A R was original, upholstery was down to the springs, and the top irons on the car in the auction photos were incorrect for the car. Very solid body but a big project, started and ran smooth.
Sold for $9400.00
They held the car parts to the very end of the day. Examples of prices:
'13 aluminum intake-$42.50 Atwater-Kent distributor with gears,looked like N.O.S but had a crack in the cap-$42.50 12 rivet rear end complete,chipped teeth on the ring gear and end play on axles-babbit washer?--$5.00 pair of T T rear wheels complete-$10.00 each Brown #115 tail lamps-rough but good lenses-2 each @ $42.50 and much much more.
The buggies sold low, $500.00 and $300.00...wish I had a barn and a couple of horses. They were very nice examples in usable condition.
Comments?


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