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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 03:00 pm:

I'm a little surprised that somebody hasn't done this already but I know that I'm interested in knowing how our northeastern brothers made out?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 03:24 pm:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/319453.html?1351623956


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 04:25 pm:

Yes Art, I know about that topic. You'll also notice the title says "Storm Prep" and it's already got 57 posts on it, most of them pre-storm.
I posted a new topic because I'm interested how the folks are doing 'post-storm'. In fact if you check, you'll notice I'm the last one who posted on that topic. No big deal, I just created a new topic to try to keep things up to date.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 04:57 pm:

Dennis, A more descriptive title may help. I passed up reading your post a couple times as I assumed you were checking the forum status.
Gary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 06:45 pm:

Regardless, it is good to hear from you, Dennis. It must be sort of nice to have a hurricane miss you for a change.
I, too, wonder how our friends are doing. I have read a lot of news stories on the web and it looks pretty tough up (back) there. I have been in major floods, 100+mph winds, inch per hour rain, and devastating earthquakes. NOTHING I have been in looks to come close to that storm how it hit tens of millions of people.
Take care of yourselves, your friends and neighbors. At some point, let us know how you are. We do care.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will,, Evans Mills NY on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 06:59 pm:

Yup, Im still here,,,, Here in Trenton NJ we didnt get hammered as bad as they did south of us, The coast got beat real bad....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 08:31 pm:

Thinking of all those is Sandy's path and I wish you all the best


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ben jermainne on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 08:47 pm:

Ok here in ct where iam no power so still using the generator but other than that all is good


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 11:04 pm:

I see somebody added 'After Storm Sandy' to the title of this topic. I was thinking I probably should have done something like that but I'm computer challenged. Many of our brothers may not have electrical power back yet, even if they did come out OK.
Yes, I've seen a few Hurricanes down here in Florida in my time but this thing was downright ugly from the start.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 01:05 am:

I'm away at work but the missus reports that the 'eye' literally went right over the house and there is fence missing, and trees now self pruned, and the house creaked and groaned as it was twisting a bit in the wind, and the back yard was a lake with ripples for the duration...but now in the calm, that's it.

She lost power for 18 hours, trees down on the power lines close by...but her 322HP, 1.5Kw generator worked for the sump pumps as once water goes over 3" in 24 hours the lower level always tries to go for a swim and as long as there is power, no issue...nice collection/pump system in place.

322HP/1.5 Kw? Well, there is a story behind that. Last big northeastern a year or so ago we were down for the count for a bit and stood helpless as the water was rising. I'm too cheap to go to 12VDC pumps and battery kit as batteries for them are expensive, really don't have a long life. Thought of adding a gen for the next time but all of the neighbors who had one said didn't work, the carbies were all gummed up from our 'blended' fuel requirement. Would start, run for 3-5 minutes and choke down hard.

So, came up with the 322HP/1.5Kw solution. The logo on it says SL500...lol, her car. Big A inverter bolted in the trunk! Always fresh gas...sure, have to open trunk and plug the 12/2 extension cord in...but that parts easy...battery powered high water alarm 1" below floor since our problem isn;t runoff, rather ground perc. I'm happy to report, she's tickled pink with it and lower level stayed dry as a bone even though alarm went off 4 times in the 18 hours.

The cord even has a duplex outlet run upstairs...she can plug in the FIOS, plug in her cell, plug in her computer. She asked me this time about the frig once things went dark...told her Nooooooooooooo.

So thats all good news...she rode it all out without freaking out...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 01:34 am:

Leave it to you to come up with something creative, George. Does the car have a remote starter, too?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 03:14 am:

George - You guys and your texting "bleedover",.....like EVERYBODY understands those lazy, crazy abbreviations! "FIOS",....right! Field Interrogation Officer Station,.....got it!

All kidding aside, that really sounds like a good set-up. Might start a new trend in your neighborhood!

Glad things are ok at your house; especially since you're not there to officiate!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 03:22 am:

Ralphie & Harold,

Yes it has a remote starter :-) But that was already on the car so did not add to the cap cost


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 04:50 am:

I'm not sure how I made out! :-)

I had to leave on another China trip.
After having three different flights cancelled I finally got on the last flight from Albany NY to Chicago on Monday evening.
The takeoff was exciting because the wind was getting a but stiff.
I don't remember ever flying sideways for so long in a big aircraft!

My daughter lost power in Boxborough MA for a few hours on Tuesday but but I'm not sure about what happened in NH because my wife was with her.
My guess is that there were no problems.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 04:51 am:

I got away pretty clean. Power just came back. About 30 hrs. without. Every tree on my block went down except mine. Pays to trim I guess. Some screwed up roofs in the area. I understand the shore is a real mess. Maybe I'll have a look later if the bridges are re-opened. The rain never materialized as predicted but the high tides kicked butt. Some on the barrier islands just wouldn't listen and a few bodies have turned up


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Ashton Rosenkrans on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 08:54 am:

Here by Valley Forge we got off pretty light. Lots of trees down and power was off for about 12 hrs, but no major damage. Areas to the East and North of us got far worse.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 09:05 am:

CNN was reporting live from Tom's River yesterday. Didn't see any Model Ts braving the floodwater.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Memmelaar Jr on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 03:26 pm:

I live about 10 miles from the intersections of route 287 and the NYS thruway. And we got nailed with the wind, not much rain. We had reported 80 mph gusts at one point. The worst lasted from 5pm to 5 am.

We are not expected to get power for 7 to 10 days

generator is up and going but too much to do with the kids and house to take the t out.

Good luck to everyone else in this mess.

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 04:22 pm:

George. Are you telling us that you are did not use a leather belt on the wheel of the SL to drive the pump?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Blancard on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 09:28 am:

A little OT, but sadly interesting. I got an email this morning rom a buddy telling me about another fellow we know in New Jersey who has an extensive collection of antique motorcycles and some classic cars. He writes "Mike didn't fare well. The sea water came into his house and submerged his collection. Pierce, Ace, early Hendersons, Cleveland 4, Reading Standard, Indians, teens Harleys, 1953 Corvette and 1957 Nomad (the Nomad was found floating in the basement)."

Its enough to make a grown man cry...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 10:00 am:

Man that is sad to hear ... :-(




Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 10:03 am:

Steve, I pray not but I'm afraid we are going to be hearing more stories like this as our northeastern brothers get their power back on. :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 10:43 am:

The mayor of Tom's River was on tv again yesterday. Had never heard of the place until you showed up here, Charlie B. It's a grave, sad situation.

The discouraging part about rebuilding is the next such event could come next year. After some hurricane in a past year, I suggested insurance rates would make all property within 50 miles of the Atlantic and Gulf good only for RV parks.



Looks like this map should be updated.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 10:59 am:

Although close to the water we here in Toms river haven't been hit at all compared to the shore. I lost power for about 30 hours. Most closer to the water lost everything. The Jersey shore vacation spots/ businesses/homes are GONE. Wiped off the map. Now gas line fed fires are ravaging what's left and they can't get in to fight the fires. I'm talking here about a clean sweep. Sand is all that's left in some cases. As to re-building: It will be done but it's going to be very different as far as regulations and safety are concerned. Hopefully a better/safer area will be the result.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 11:29 am:

I'm at the Jersey shore, or what's left of it..... We came thru with little damage to the house, power is out , est. 5 more days ??? Poles snapped in three sections, trees on houses, , cleanup has started. Forked River was hit hard. But not as bad as the devastation on the barrier islands and western bay areas. Time is the only thing we have right now. Unfortunately, those who did not evacuate are in trouble even though they're alive. State Police friends have told us of those who didn't survive that are still in the water and what's left of homes. You may not read of this in the paper, but it is reality.
My work got the power back early this morning, have to wait back home. Charlie is a few miles from the coast but his area does have damage.
Try to keep in touch when possible.

Bob Jablonski


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 11:46 am:

Thanks for the update, Bob.

I noticed they haven't made any attempt to estimate the number missing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 04:50 pm:

RD & all;
Tried to get into my comcast mail, no go. Will check here when I'm able.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 04:52 pm:

If CNN is in town, they may see me in the '26 Runabout............ yeah !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 05:03 pm:

I've seen Tom's River on both ABC and CNN.

Notice they stopped calling it a Frankenstorm.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 05:09 pm:

Bob J,
When it comes to major disasters, there is usually only so much that you can do in the immediate sense. Driving your T? If you are not actively digging out neighbors or clearing a blocked road, driving your T is probably one of the best things you could be doing. As with most crises, attitude is everything!
Good for you! And thank you for the updates.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Deichmann, Blistrup, Denmark on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 05:18 pm:

We follow your destiny from over here and one thing that are discussed are why powerlines are in the air and not digged down in the ground. I do not mean the high tension powerlines (150 kV or higher) but the 120V/200V domestic grids.
We had a hurricane here in December 99 where the area I live in was hurt more of power failures than other areas of Denmark because the utility company in this area had kept the powerlines on the poles and was cut by faling trees.
I do not recall how the utility company was pushed to start digging the powerlines down in the ground - it may have been the government, it might have been legislation (the Parlament) or the cities that actually owns that utility company, but since 99 they have digged most domestic powerline down. That they then used the opportunity to put some fibercables down in the trench is another story.
We have still to have a hurricane as the one in 99, but we have had storms since and almost no power failures since.
Sorry if I steal the thread, but it is really discussed a lot here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 05:53 pm:

See that FFP ("Frequent Forum Poster" :-) ) Will Vanderburg has not posted.

To let you all know, I received an email from Will that he sent quickly while he was at work.

His power is still out at his home and he added no other details, but he's at work so I'll take that as a good sign. I recall that he had moved his T for safe-keeping before the storm came through.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 06:10 pm:

Michael,

My colleague in the UK asked me the same question. Here in Michigan most new residences are serviced by underground 220VAC lines. In some cases the ground shifts and pulls the wires out of the meter cabinet with bad results. In our cities, all multi-story construction is typically underground. In some cases due to the soil type and water table, underground wires are not a good idea.

In the Detroit area, we have many dead ash trees from an imported Emerald Ash Borer. Many of these trees are now falling with bad effects. Two men in my department have both had these trees fall on their cars as they were driving.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Claverie on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 06:20 pm:

Michael, your comments are spot on!

Most new subdivisions here in the US have gone to underground utilities. I live in one, having just moved from another one. In both cases, the house power comes from small box-like transformers located in front of every fourth house or so. They are fed by intermediate-voltage lines that are buried.

All those underground feeders, though, are fed by high-voltage overhead lines in the neighborhood. So we have the visual advantage of not having power lines, cable lines, telephone lines attached to the house, but the whole subdivision is dark when the feeders are knocked down by falling trees.

I asked the power company about this after Katrina. They said that burying the high-voltage feeder lines is ENORMOUSLY expensive,for several reasons. First, obtaining the right-of-way to bury power lines is difficult and expensive, whereas the power company can more-or-less "take" (with government permission) the air rights needed for overhead lines, then rent space on their poles to the phone and cable companies, to offset the costs.

Second, the overhead lines consist of bare wires. We use aluminum conductors wrapped around a steel core for strength. Both are relatively cheap. On the other hand, underground lines require massive insulation,that is waterproof and protected from shovels, etc. This usually ends up meaning conduit of some kind, and that adds a lot to the cost as well.

Third, burying high-voltage lines that used to be overhead, means digging up people's driveways, gardens, etc. and folks tend to want everything put back EXACTLY like it was - including replacing the entire driveway instead of patching.

All in all, it's a rare thing in the US to find high-tension lines underground!! Exception: Extremely critical facilities. Think airport control towers, computer centers, and just about any government facility with large computer banks. Hospitals sometimes qualify, apparently depending on how far they are from the sub-station and what it would cost to give them buried supply.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 07:02 pm:

We had an (for our area) unusually harsh hurricane "Gudrun" here in Sweden (and Denmark, too I think?) in 2005, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Gudrun cutting the power for tens of thousands of people for weeks. The repeated problems with overhead power lines caused so much public outcries against one of the main power companies here so they had to change name.. But they did get the message and have since replaced much of the overhead ditribution lines with underground cables. The build up of the digital fiber net may have had a part in financing the deal here too?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 07:13 pm:

Underground lines are the reason we got power back so quickly. (30 hrs.) it's the above ground feeds that caused the problem. Also the system here is relatively new.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 07:41 pm:

Not to change things too much but still interested is the problems that arise with overhead powerlines across the Northern part of the country when we have heavy ice storms. I was just thinking of our Halloween Snowstorm back in the beginning of the 90's and how we lost power for over a week in Southern Minnesota. Went out and bought a 4500 watt generator and a week after we got power back on we got hit again and lost power. The generator was a blessed thing. At any rate I hope everyone is being safe. I hope the shore will come back in better shape than they started. God bless our Northeastern friends.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timothy Kelly on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 08:50 pm:

Although many here in southwest Connecticut suffered significant damage, my wife and I did well. The only damage we suffered were downed trees.

We lost power on Tuesday. The automatic generator kicked in as intended, so we have hot and cold water as well as heat. Life is grand at our house... The authorities estimate that it could be another week or longer before power and cable are restored.

Service has not been restored for the commuter train that I take everyday into New York City. Maybe tomorrow???

I am working from my little town's public library this evening as it is one of the few facilities that has internet available.

Cheers


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 08:52 pm:

In our city of 70,000, all of the utilities are underground except for the electricity. A couple of years ago, all the other utilities came through town and buried their services, including the "rural" electric co-op which now has lots of areas where they provided service when it was at the fringe of town. It obviously makes good economic sense to bury the lines, but the major electric company always whines about the cost to do so when confronted with that idea. Most of the newer subdivisions have their electric lines buried, but only when the developer pays for it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 09:11 pm:

Dial-up folks probably don't want to click on the link - many commercial pictures of some damage - NJ and NY..

http://blogs.reuters.com/fullfocus/2012/10/30/a-storm-named-sandy-2/#a=15

Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Gruber- Spanaway, Wash. on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 09:12 pm:

I heard somewhere that labor unions don't want the lines buried because it would put their linemen out of work.
Any truth in this?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 10:42 pm:

Probably so Bob. The unions are already crying about outside help coming from other states. The big city North of me sent trucks and workers up there. I wonder if they'll even be allowed to help.

I don't mean to appear cold to the losses up there but gosh, they had over a week notice that Sandy would most likely be where it ended up. And they knew it was going to be a full-moon tide along with an arriving cold front. Good thing it wasn't a CAT-5. Some things you can't prepare for but many you can. Seems like most were just watching it arrive.

And what's with the sand break walls? What idiot thought that up? Did they really think that was going to stop water?

The last time I was in Atlantic City, there wasn't a square foot of the boardwalk that wasn't covered in chewing gum. It will be nice to see that filthy thing replaced.

And why aren't the big three networks covering all the looting and price gouging going on up there? That was their daily lead story after Katrina in New Orleans. All you hear about is the touchy-feely good neighbor stuff from ABC, CBS and NBC.

And now the President finally realizes that there is too much red tape in the state and federal bureaucracy. He wants to suspend federal rules as a special case. I wonder how that's going to go over with the states' lawmakers? Will he suspend union contracts too?

Anyway, I am disheartened by all the damage and loss, both in property and life, and hope the region makes a speedy recovery. It shouldn't take more than 20 years so be patient. Look how far they've moved along since 2001.

My rant is complete. Sorry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 12:05 am:

Bob J, I have friends in Barnegat Light. I used to fish commercially with them. They are a tough bunch, but when they say it's bad, It's Bad!!
Glad to hear you made it thru and are all right

Charlie B, the same to you. Glad everyone is OK

Chip


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 12:53 am:

We still haven't heard from Bob Coiro. Does anybody know what part of Long Island he's on?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Sanders-Auburn Al on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 01:45 am:

This was posted on my Facebook page,friend of a friend from NJ. Alabama Power linemen in NJ.....

"When I saw the trucks in my neighborhood, and asked about the tree laying on the wires from the street to my house, they said, " we're not sure about the protocol in NJ but in Alabama, we take care of this. We'll have you up and running in no time." And they did! When I apologized for bothering them, they said,'Who told you that?'' lol.. I told them them the news said not to bother a crew working. They said"If you don't tell us what;s going on, how will we know?" Much love to Alabama Power for coming to NJ. xoxo"

These folks respond to disasters when needed as crews from around the country responded after disasters here....Bravo!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 02:32 am:

SoCal Edison crews loaded into C-17s today, headed east.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 02:49 am:

I recieved an text from Mike Kossor in NJ today and he is OK but without elect power. He does have a gen set.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Sanders-Auburn Al on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 11:28 am:

Hope they are union,Ralph....

http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/some-nonunion-ala-crews-turned-away-from-sand y-recovery

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 11:44 am:

For the high rates we pay, up to .35/kwh, Bob, SCE better be paying well.

Speaking of undergrounding: SCE quoted us $40K to remove the (leaning) last pole on the line that serves four houses, and put a vault at the next pole. That stuff is not cheap.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Sanders-Auburn Al on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 12:27 pm:

We are paying around .20/kwh...Alabama Power is a union company so they should be fine...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Evans Mills NY on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 05:28 pm:

Hey George,,, Remember the Ice Storm we lived through a long while back??? I can say I lived through it all now,,, A Ice Storm, No power for 20 weeks, A Micro Burst, No Power for 8 weeks and now a Hurricane........... Makes me kinda glad the lessons taught me by the Military.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 06:01 pm:

I'm probably 30 mins from the ocean. No power for 3.5 days, but I am back online now.....

Moved the car to safer storage...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 07:44 pm:

Will C.

One of the things about living in South Jersey is that the local weather forecasters are always doom and gloom...because they don't have a clue most of the time and don't have a chance of getting it right.

On the fall and early winter storms moving up the coast they must 'hope' that it runs out of spunk somewhere near the Outer Banks or bounces off. When that doesn't happen they must think 'hope' it either veers up the Chesapeake or bounces off. Next port-o-call is the Delaware Bay and at that point they lose...either/or, South Jersey gets stuck with some really wierd things happening.

Looks like this time it decided to just ignore the mouth of the Delaware Bay come up a bit and then say...oh yeah, I really did want to run up along the Appalachia and made a sharp left turn with the eye going just south of Philly. Central/North Jersey beaches and New York Harbor then took the full beating on the tidal spin.

For 70 years our family owned the house at 66 Ocean in Lavalette NJ as the summer family 'place'(or AKA 4 BrynMawr once the dune decided to use the house as it's bulkhead) . The last total devastating on the barrier island was like back in the early 60's and I imagine most of the population don't remember that yet the house stood tall and square. I'll be curious on this one to see if it stood...Lavalette took a huge beating and the Mantaloking bridge had the island side under the water. The wife managed to get through the local stuff well, but now even though we don't own the ocean front house anymore, she is really in a bit of twist over whether the house is still there or not. :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Evans Mills NY on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 08:14 pm:

This is what I lived through back in 1991> http://batavia.ynn.com/content/top_stories/535281/looking-back--twenty-years-sin ce-ice-storm-of-1991/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 08:31 pm:

Thank God someone hit the genius mayor of New York in the head enough times to get him to cancel the marathon. Those morons actually had the nerve to have large portable generators at the starting spot of the race. On Staten Island of all places. The most destroyed boro in the city and the spot of the most deaths associated with the storm. Worst of all? The media which insists on interviewing out of town runners complaining about how much they spent to get here. They ought to be chained together like in Cool Hand Luke and made to shovel the sand out of peoples basements. That is if they even have a house to go back to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 09:32 pm:

Happy to hear Will V. has his power restored. He's in the northern part of Ocean County, we're in the central/southern coastal section of Ocean County , NJ. We had our power back late yesterday evening.

All ok, just have to clean up & help neighbors less fortunate.

Bob J.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 09:32 pm:

CharlieB, I'm with ya on the sand shoveling. Bunch of insensitive jerks. And to make even a little bit of a show in that area is bad. They should have that area locked down to only people that belong there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 09:39 pm:

Sad reports in newspaper of those we lost.

http://www.app.com/viewart/20121102/NJNEWS/311020089/Deaths-NJ-tied-Superstorm-S andy?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:18 pm:

George Mills:

This is what shows before the storm.....
http://www.mapquest.com/

Have to enter address: 4 Bryn Mawr Avenue, Lavallette, NJ


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max L. Christenson on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:19 pm:

So, which is it? That is, are Out-of-State non-union electrical workers wanted or not wanted in union-loving States? Non-union workers are known as "scabs", right? If "scabs" are not welcome in union-loving States, then why should "scabs" even bother to offer their services in union-loving States? Yes, or No. Please cast your vote! Most importantly, vote now on this Forum.

The question is: Should repairs be done only by union workers?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max L. Christenson on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:21 pm:

So, which is it? That is, are Out-of-State non-union electrical workers wanted or not wanted in union-loving States? Non-union workers are known as "scabs", right? If "scabs" are not welcome in union-loving States, then why should "scabs" even bother to offer their services in union-loving States? Yes, or No. Please cast your vote! Most importantly, vote now on this Forum.

The question is: Should repairs be done only by union workers?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:37 pm:

They ought to be able to add to the death toll considering how much looting is going on. When I hear of those pigs going into someone else's business or home I just get really uptight. They ought to have a looter season this year and forget any deer season.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max L. Christenson on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:44 pm:

"They" will be able to add to the death toll. "They" will be able of doing so, after "they" have first had their fill at the local donut shop.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:50 pm:

What the hell???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 10:52 pm:

That story is completely untrue, and was fueled by conservative news outlets to vilify the "supposed" arrogance of organized labor.

I personally saw trucks from Georgia, Michigan, and Alabama in Ocean County, NJ.

Seaside Heights, which is the town in question, sustained 1 billion dollars in damages. A representative of each of the two utility companies involved in this each deny any union affiliation claims. By the time those utilities had reached Seaside Heights, help had already been obtained from another utility, so the Alabama utilities were rerouted to Long Island, NY.

As per the president of the Utility Workers of America, it's not the employees who decide who works in another utility's territory, but the companies themselves. The workers have have no say in it.

Besides, if any town in NJ who was so savagely devastated by this hurricane had the nut-sack to say "go away, we don't want you because you're not union" deserves to be left hanging in the breeze.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 11:03 pm:

It is a small, small world. One friend of mine lost his sister and brother in law when a limb fell on their vehicle and crushed them.

Here is a picture taken today of another friend of mine in front of his house in New Jersey.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max L. Christenson on Friday, November 02, 2012 - 11:56 pm:

William:

Not sure what "story is completely untrue" to which you refer. That you "saw trucks" from other states is not unusual. The trucks to which you refer might have been delivering free condoms in honor of Sandra Fluke to federally taxpayer supported local abortion clinics.

Since when was Seaside Heights the town in question? Is it? Since when?

According to your comment, Alabama utility workers were apparently sent to Long Island, NY. So, Seaside Heights didn't need the services of the additional Alabama workers? Really? Were the electrical needs of everyone in Seaside Heights taken care of without the Alabama workers? Has 100% of all electrical power service now been restored to everyone in Seaside Heights without help from out-of-state utility workers? If so, that is great. Moreover, that is the way it should be.

I don't live there, thank God. Never plan to either.

Texas has it's own electrical power grid, separate and apart from other USA electrical power grids, so it is not dependent upon, nor subject to, other USA electrical power grids.

For many such reasons, we are the Lone Star State.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 04:36 am:

????????? Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 09:13 am:

Paul Mikeska:

You have our condolences on your friend's family loss. Those of us directly affected by this disaster are learning to be compassionate, and then there are those who will never learn, continuing to be self-centered, whoah is me attitude, why isn't my electric, mail or milk delivery or maid here ?????

Would your friend's sister be from the Princeton area ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Evans Mills NY on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 09:27 am:

Oh man,,, We are getting Maids??? Cool!!! Can mine be blond, in her 20's with a very short and low cut uniform and has daddy issues? That will help with Hurricane stress. I may be getting older but far from dead.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 09:30 am:

After Katrina, we sent a check to a Forum member minister who lived near NO, for direct help. I'm sure the Salvation Army does a great job; not so sure about the ARC, but I felt good sending aid to a person on the scene who was helping evacuees. Was that you, Peter?

I'm holding off donating cash until we hear from Bob Coiro; he may need all our help.

No matter how difficult your situation, you don't have to look far to find people you wouldn't trade troubles with.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:11 am:

Mr. Christenson,

I hope you never do come here. Read the post listed above. Here's a quote, smartass:

"Hardin said as they waited for confirmation on the documents, crews received word that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources.

"At this stage, it is not clear who is alleged to have turned the crew away and the company that employs the affected workers has denied the claim," said IBEW President Ed Hill in a statement. "IBEW local leaders in New Jersey have reiterated what has been the long standing record of our union – in times of crisis all help is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the public. We have communicated this to the office of New Jersey Governor Christie as well."

So, Mr. Christenson, you can stay in your "Republic of Texas". Next time a hurricane hits your state, let your own people handle it, and refuse outside state or government assistance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:23 am:

What happened to Gov. Perry's plan to secede last year? Oh, TX gets more fed money than it pays.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 11:07 am:

Will Copeland:

You may not be dead yet, but will be once your wife reads your post !! LOL .

Bob J.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 01:14 pm:

I don't know if that's still true, but in 2005 Texas received 94 cents in Federal money for every dollar it paid, therefore only giving the government 6 cents on every dollar.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:03 pm:

Gov. Perry was probably given a book on the Civil War and decided secession wasn't worth it, OR he decided to read the Texas vs White 1869 Supreme Court decision that basically decreed that unilateral secession from the United States is unconstitutional. Once you are admitted as a state, you are a state FOREVER.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:14 pm:

Paul Mikeska, I'm in line with Bob Jablonski. What's happened to your friend's family is terrible. And your friend has to be feeling it deep in his heart. God bless them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:18 pm:

Mr Christian and Mr Vanderburg, please take it outside before I mess up and state my feelings about labor unions and the affect they've had on the well-being of our nation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:29 pm:

Mike:

I believe we've heard the last from Mr. C.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:38 pm:

That was almost assuming a threatening tone. So now I guess it's detergent or non-detergent, water or antifreeze, pro-union or not pro-union.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Deichmann, Blistrup, Denmark on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 01:37 am:

Still no sign of life from Bob Coiro :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 10:20 am:

Hopefully Bob may just still be power-less. I have relatives in his area and their still out. + this probably isn't his highest priority right now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 10:33 am:

Are they just without power, Charlie, or was there more destruction in that area? I've been to JFK several times, and even stayed overnight in local hotels, but never anywhere else on the island or to the city.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 12:46 pm:

My heart goes out to all our friends affected by this terrible disaster.

Having survived several "acts of God" (earth quakes, fires) the most common issue I've seen is having too much help too soon.

It usually takes a few hours to few days to sort out the critical needs of the community then an orderly deployment of the outside help. Since Public safety is the first priority followed by restoring infrastructure, It's human nature to become frustrated when local officials ask help to hold off till a rough plan can be established. In the end an organized approach saves lives and time.

My worst experience, though, was dealing with FEMA who sent out the most onerous questionnaire demanding detailed information and directives about determining damage and financial qualifications.

Those who took FEMA's bait found themselves tied up in a web of government red tape, multiple and often conflicting inspections from little known agencies, for months on end. Sadly, they were the last to have their homes and property restored. Thankfully I told them, no thank you!

God speed to you all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 01:39 pm:

Ricks: beyond downed trees taking out power lines + whatever they might have hit I really can't say. If you were away from the coast/ocean you didn't experience the same storm. As if things in those areas aren't bad enough we had friends from Bricktown over last night for hot meals/showers & laundry (they still have no power). They told us about looters, they called them pirates, coming in by boat to wrecked areas & stealing things. National Guard is patrolling these areas from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM. Exactly the opposite of what they should be doing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 01:48 pm:

On the lighter side supermarkets, if they have power, are re-stocked fully & gas lines have abated though they still have odd/even days in effect. Most around here should be back on-line by Tuesday. You have never experienced anything like going into you local super market and seeing aisles & aisles of empty shelves because the coolers were off for 2/3 days. It was like one of those end of the world movies.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wilf Bradbury on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 02:54 pm:

Living here just north of Toronto, we got very lucky and only suffered power loses and a couple of deaths due to the storm.
We still have power out here and there. Despite this, hundreds of our power crews and trucks are on their way to NY and NJ to give a hand. It is hard to imagine what some of those unfortunate folks are going though. We have been seeing many images on the evening news.
Are thoughts are with these very unlucky friends.
Wilf


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 05:14 pm:

Our local Ocean County, N.J. newspaper link:

www.app.com

.....for those who want to follow the up progress.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 06:50 pm:

Thanks, Bob. One of my brother's in-laws are in Monmouth and area.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Monday, November 05, 2012 - 08:40 am:

Ralph, you may e-mail & I'll try to get in contact with them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, November 05, 2012 - 09:26 am:

Thanks, Bob. They all came through ok. This is probably not news to you:

"Don says traffic is gridlock. Most traffic lights are out and cops at gas stations to maintain order. A neighbor went out at 2am, and drove 10 miles to find gas and still had to wait in line for 45 min."

"What surprises me is they got very little rain; just ocean did most damage, plus 90 mile wind."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Monday, November 05, 2012 - 09:36 am:

Has anyone heard from Ken Bove who lives in Westbury L.L.?? No reply to emails or telephone calls. He has an answering machine that I don't reach it, my guess is the land lines are down?
Ron Patterson


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 07:14 am:

Haven't heard a word out of Bob Corio who lives on Long Island yet either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 03:20 pm:

I have been checking this thread three to five times a day to see if Bob C has been heard from. As long as he and his family are okay, it is fine. He should take care of his priorities first. I just tend to worry about my friends. Even ones I have never seen in person.
Drive carefully, and wear a funny hat! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 04:20 pm:

Bob's house in Commack NY looks to be more than 2 miles from Long Island Sound. I hope the flood surge didn't make it that far inland. Local news says there are still about 4,000 without power in Commack, more in nearby towns.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 06:57 pm:

I spoke to Ken Bove, with the exception of lack of power which he has minimally solved with a generator all is well.
Ron the Coilman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 11:06 am:

Speculating he just (hopefully) hasn't got power back yet. Relatives in Masapquia (sic) LI just got it back last night. This snow has been a total killer. More trees are down in my area and others than from Sandy. Power flickered last night and I was ready to screw a hook in my garage ceiling to hang myself from. Very very depressing. Looking for the predicted higher temps this weekend. Government help for those in true need is fading. Just too many losses. Locals are stepping up thankfully.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 02:11 pm:

Dealing with major losses, yours or your community, is tough enough. Doing so while wet and cold just makes you miserable. The days just drag along with no end in sight. But systems get fixed. Roads reopen or are bypassed. Enough power gets restored that most people have access to some comfort. Whatever you can scrape together to eat, gives way to good meals again.
Hang in there, Charlie B. This tough time will pass. Garages are for parking and working on model Ts!
Hopefully, Bob C is hanging on okay. I hope he is back here soon regaling us with tales of the storm.
Drive carefully, and wear a funny hat! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 08:44 pm:

Several years ago we had a major ice storm at the end of February and I didn't have a new electric line in from the road until the end of April. It didn't take long for me to have enough of cooking in the fireplace, and many an evening I drove into town to eat. But that was coming out of winter, not going into it. I don't envy the folks with their power off as winter weather comes on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 11:39 pm:

Thanks for asking about me, guys. Today is what some in my neck of the woods are referring to as "Day-13." I just got electricity back tonight and it got to be numbingly cold for a while here, especially when the Nor'easter came sweeping through the other day to add insult to injury—and five inches of snow.

Local temps got down into the twenties a few times at night. We still had gas, so boiled a couple of big pasta pots on the stove to make steam heat (but couldn't get the computerized oven to work). This got the kitchen temps up to around fifty, but the walls and ceilings all over the house got covered in condensation and our beds became too wet to use. We slept on the living room sofa and recliner as they were fairly close to the kitchen range. Ran out of candles and radio batteries last night.

This sounds lousy, but it was pure bliss compared to the devastation that took place just a few miles away from here. Some of the folks from my church passed out food and blankets in the Rockaways.

http://col.stb.s-msn.com/i/3C/B36090C951EB7BBA602FFDDB832414.jpg

Well, tonight, with the electric power back on, I'm looking forward to sleeping between warm, dry sheets for the first time in about two weeks. Here's a photo (taken from my 2nd floor deck) of the giant tree that crashed into our back yard—a love tap compared to what happened to some of our neighbors.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Floyd Voie - Chehalis, Washington on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 11:51 pm:

Bob,
Glad to hear you survived in relatively good shape. Must have been a miserable 13 days but like you pointed out...could have been worse.
Good to have you back on the forum!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Deichmann, Blistrup, Denmark on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 12:15 am:

With Bob back are all then accounted for?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 12:35 am:

Bob Coiro - So good to finally hear from you! Thank you for posting so soon after finally getting electricity back. Can't imagine the misery you folks have been through but as Floyd said, many have suffered much worse. Good folks like you just don't deserve what you've been through, however, it is true that He works in mysterious ways! Hope the cleanup and recovery phase goes much smoother than whatever it is that you expect,......harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 08:28 am:

Yes, it was miserable, but now that we have our electricity back and so, having viewed some of the widespread loss and damage through television and YouTube, I'd have to be a spoiled brat of the highest order to complain. Just about a mile away from Long Island/Queens/Brooklyn (all part of a single island), on Staten Island, the surge of tide flipped a car containing a woman and her two sons. When she attempted to extricate her boys from the vehicle, the waves swept both of them out of her arms to their deaths. And there was no shortage of similar heart-breaking tragedies in the area. This was the worst weather event ever to hit the Northeast.

Has anyone heard from my fellow Islander, John Cassara?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 08:56 am:

Glad you're ok, Bob, and thanks for reporting in.

It doesn't look as good for John. His last post was 26 Oct, and his listed city of Patchogue, NY, is on the coast, and going by google maps, could have been hit as bad as Queens, save for Fire Island.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 09:44 am:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/hurricane-sandy-before-after-photos/

Try this. Satelite photo's before & after. Slide your mouse L. & R. over each shot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:40 am:

Good to hear from you Bob. I can understand why we didn't for so long. I'm sad that you had the damage and discomfort, but very happy that your house survived. It is a sad thing that storm happened to hit right in such a populated area, but it seems that every year some form of devestation happens either by Hurricane, Tornado, Earthquake, or Fire. This year seems that more than usual have occurred. On a brighter side, if you have a fireplace, you will be well supplied with firewood for a long time.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 02:32 am:

I am grateful to hear you are okay and your damage is minimal. It does not really lessen the impact of such a disaster so close to home. Only time will do that. Natural disasters are a part of life. They have been part of the Earth since its beginning. And they will be a part of it till its end.
Again, I am gladdened that you are okay. You may now have your funny hat back.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:26 am:

Good. :-) I've been worried about you Bob. I knew this was going to be a bad one from the looks of it on the way up there but I had no idea how bad. :-(
Now..... How did the T make out?


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