Model 'T' Ford Club of Victoria - Maryborough Rally

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - 02:02 am:

Dear Robbie, members & families of the MTFCV. Thank you for allowing us to be part of your 3 day run last weekend at Maryborough, Victoria. 28 'T's leaking oil all over the pretty Victorian Goldfields; fantastic! We had a ball! I am sure I will add more to another posting.

Sorry for the delay, we took an extra day to be a tourist and visited the world class "Sovereign Hill" at Ballarat. I am now officially all "gold panned" out.

David & Michele Chantrell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan George Long on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 06:38 am:

Here here from Western Australia. Great run and thanks for the lift guy's. Wish i lived in country Victoria!

Alan in Western Australia


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 04:13 pm:

I agree Alan. The 2016 national promises to be a beauty. But then again all of the national rallies in every state have all been different and fantastic in their own rights. The 2013 organisers in SA are in full swing! Enter if you haven't already done so!
1983 Parkes, NSW.
1986 Adelaide, SA.
1989 Wangaratta, Vic.
1992 Griffiths, NSW.
1995 Barossa Valley, SA.
1998 Geelong, Vic.
2001 Goulbourn, NSW.
2004 Renmark, SA.
2008 Echuca, Vic. (was 2007 but moved to 2008 for the 100th anniversary)
2010 Windsor, NSW.
2013 Barossa Valley, SA.
2016 ?????!!!, Vic.
Perhaps one day the Queensland Ford 'T' Club will be in a position to host a national rally.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 04:22 pm:

I think your right, 2016 does promise to be a beauty.

Why does Queensland not participate ???

David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan George Long on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 07:27 pm:

I had my Entry Form & Cheque with me last week but neglected to leave it with one of the SA Members, have just posted it!

Alan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Pocock on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:13 pm:

Hi David
Yes, you are correct - 2019 will be "Model T Owners Queensland" turn to host a National Rally and show off what our State has to offer. We were asked by the assembly to join into the rotation at Echuca 08, after our successful Model T Invitational Rally (Back To The Sticks 2006) in Warwick September 06. MTOQ will have a presentation at the 2016 event in Victoria, so please pencil in a trip to Qld in September 2019. Regards Gavin Pocock "President MTOQ"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:32 pm:

Good to hear from you Gavin! Does anyone agree with me, 3 years is too long between National gatherings? The membership of our clubs are not getting younger! By 2019 I wont even have kids in school anymore! Many of our good Model T friends will no longer be with us. Lets get together more often??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Pocock on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:23 am:

I hear what you are saying Warwick, the members age in most Vintage Car Clubs are ever increasing. Perhaps your question needs to be presented at the next National Event or directed to the Model T Clubs within Australia.
The big issue we have here in Queensland is the new Government Reg's not allowing children under 16 as passengers in any vehicles without engineer approved seatbelts. That rules out anyone with a family from our membership partaking in our weekend activities. In fact it rules out anyone crossing the Qld border on a Rally. How does one encourage youth in your membership with these restrictions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 02:45 am:

It is only a matter of time before the other governments doing something just as stupid. Are you saying they can enforce this with an interstate registered car?

Back to 'T's, great to hear that Queensland is aboard with a national rally planned for 2019. I truly hope I will be one of the entrants!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Webb on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 06:18 am:

They tried that law here in NSW but backed down with cars that cannot have child seats fitted.
Common sense had to kick in


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 04:07 pm:

G'day Gavin, great news,lguess we'd plan ahead for that trip, maybe two cars!!!

cheers David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 05:00 pm:

how would every other year work,2016, 2018, 2020??
Western Australia are you there ???
I'd love to visit that part of the world.

David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Pocock on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 09:49 pm:

Hi Guys
Yes, we have been advised it is a States Reg. and anyone driving there vehicle in Queensland must comply. I agree it makes no sense, but Qld yet again has it's head in the sand. You can sit you child on the back of a motorcycle or sit them in a bus doing 60 mph un-restrained, but not in a Model T, go figure.

Pleased to hear you guys are thinking of heading north 2019, I'm sure we will put on a good show for you. Hey, just as an interest, I believe the Veteran National Rally in Qld may be held 2 weeks prior, great opportunity to do both? Gavin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan George Long on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 12:04 am:

Yes, Western Australia is here and watching the comments!!

Our Model T Section is very small compared to SA, Vic and NSW. That's one reason i love coming east to see that many T's in one place on your numerous rallies. Additionally you have the population and countryside with countless towns and attractions that we lack to a certain extent. Having a rally in our South West would be ideal. My aim as Chairman of the WA T Section is to concentrate on building our membership numbers and build the section up to a level somewhere near yours. But, this is difficult and frustrating when working full time and some health issues. Once my business is sold in the next few months and my 1910 is completed i will be able to dedicate some proper time and do the job correctly. So in answer to your question, lets do it in WA !!!

Alan Long, Hillarys WA


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 12:45 am:

My point exactly Alan. If we are abl to get all the States to participate then we can meet more often! Currently the annual Veteran tours alternate around the States each year and include WA. I would like to be able to come back to at least every 2 years and alternate, Vic, NSW, SA, QLD and then perhaps WA. If I have to wait until 2022 to enjoy a rally in WA many of the people I would like to enjoy it with may not be here any more or incapable of driving T's. 2016 is locked in for Victoria but could we look at changing the schedule to every two years. what do you think? after that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 01:18 am:

Currently we have a rotation of 3 states in 9 years or 4 in 12 years. Making our national a biennial event would mean 4 in 8 years or 6 in 12 years. Could we possibly be burning ourselves out?

Great to hear about WA. Perhaps one rotation we join veteran rally in Tasmania? Or perhaps we could hold it one week after and use the same hub town?

Interesting to hear the various viewpoints. The same thing I hear from any organising committee is resting when it is over!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 05:44 am:

I think every 2 years is a better idea BUT some changes in the way the rallies are run and organized need to happen before I will attend any more. I realize getting people to volunteer to do the work needed to run a Rally/tour is hard but they need to be better than some that have taken place.

The tours in the USA are so superior its worth my while to go to one of theirs than one held here that I have to travel hundreds of miles to get to.

First point the USA ones are usually only announced 12 months before and you can't enter until early in the new year for June or July. They have plenty of time to get a great tour organizes properly. Here three years ahead you usually can't book accommodation and often actual bookings for venues can't be guaranteed by their owners.

Here entrants entry fee can be payed at the end of the previous rally ( which is OK if you want to make sure you get in) but if you don't pay up until close to the rally you get hit with a fine of extra entrant costs ( how can it make any difference to the organizers? If they want to limit the entrants due to limited space etc then put on a limit number of entrants. A lot of people can't make a commitment until close to the rally so why charge them extra. It should not interfere with organization of the event, it certainly doesn't on overseas Tours.

Having helped run lots of tours over the years I know the problems involved. Unfortunately often those who volunteer to run such events have not been on a well organized one themselves and the runs are often poor and worse still only travel tiny mileages in a day. One tour's total mileage for the week was less than most day runs of previous tours. Some drivers had towed and driven their T's hundreds and even thousands of miles to find the whole week was a real let down.

Another thing is the entrant fee, it's often far too much for what one receives or is needed to run the event. In the USA tours it not only costs less up front but every one I've been on I have received a refund of part of the entrant cost after the committee finalized the expenditure. Here there has been cases where the promised "goodies" have not even materialized.

What I am probably saying overall is the old way of doing rallies here needs to have a fresh approach and look at how others do it and get rid of the old school ideas that have got entrenched.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 07:25 am:

Interesting observations Peter. The recent Maryborough Rally with the MTFCV we did a very comfortable 400kms in 3 days on good, sealed, scenic country roads.

Here in SA the Veteran Car Club hold an annual 3 day rally. This year the $15 entry fee included a small rally pack, some door prizes & a cooked breakfast for all of the 110 people on the rally! This year we broke even, or near enough, a $14 profit. (I know all this because I am on the organising committee). We get 50 plus cars on every rally.

How much was the entry fee for Windsor? How much is entry fee for 2013?!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 05:01 am:

David, Not sure what the fees for either rally are but your figures for cost and mileage on your events sound spot on. I wish I had known about the Maryborough Rally it looks to have been a great one.

What may be worth looking at further is what people like and dislike about tours. I could be odd man out here. The majority of owners may want short runs, lots of useless stuff in a goody bag and a final dinner that goes on far too long where the organizers give long speeches.

I should have mentioned before we don't have the number and quality of venues available here as they do in the USA. Places big enough with facilities to cater for a large group are limited here. Having said that there have been Rallies done where little or nothing was available to see or do yet they stand out as great events. I always ask American T owners which is their favorite one and most often it is the first Clear Lake Iowa tour run by the late Paul Larson. His theory was never to repeat or copy another successful tour but to do things that hadn't been done before.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 06:14 am:

Peter,
You are most welcome to come down to Victoria and participate in our annual Melbourne Cup weekend rally. Always is a four day rally incorporating the 1st Tuesday of
November. Usually held in a regional area of Victoria with suitable attractions to visit and quite back country roads. These events are becoming very popular as they are quite informal and enjoyed by people who like some good drives!
2016 is already locked in by the Victorian club and a rally director has taken on the event. I will send him the link to this discussion for his reference. Perhaps 2018 might work for NSW or QLD. I would be happy to chair a meeting somewhere at the Barossa rally next year where we can discuss all these issues we have raised here and build a plan for the future. I will have first hand experience of an MTFCI tour after July next year so will be able to pick up some good ideas. The tour cost far exceeds any cost that I have paid for an Australain rally but it has many inclusions of meals etc so I have no doubt we will get value for money! interestingly the tour entries were only accepted 1 year prior to the event and entries were capped at 200 cars. I like both those ideas. Many venues in SA and NSW would become much more viable if they had a capped number of 150 or less to deal with. If you missed out on an entry then maybe you would only have to wait 2 years until the next rally!
Warwick.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 12:58 pm:

Hmmmmmmmmm !!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gavin Pocock on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 11:20 pm:

Gents
I like Warwick’s idea of a meeting in Barossa with a delegate from each State to discuss options. The concerns raised at the meeting in Echuca 2008 was the speed of which each Clubs turn come around and having to hit up sponsors. However with the potential inclusion of another State (WA) into the rotation, every two years may be favourable. One item to consider is the older member’s eagerness to trailer their T’s a distance into Qld & WA, we noticed a drop off in numbers into Qld in 2006, a two year rotation would be favourable to them. Cheers Gavin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 11:07 am:

On a two yearly rotation, each club would host the National every 10 years....


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