Schebler Intake and Exhaust Manifold

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Schebler Intake and Exhaust Manifold
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:13 pm:

I am restoring my grandfather's faultless bodied speedster. It had a rajo head and this Schebler combination intake and exhaust manifold. Has anyone seen one like this--I can not seem to find any information on this item. It has a rust hole or possibly a casting flow in it and I am looking for another one--I could have it brazed, but I think the defect would be too obvious--I have attached a photo of theschebler intake and exhaust


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:20 pm:

Here is my grandfather's faultless bodied racerfaultless speedster


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:23 pm:

Here is the backside of the intake and exhaust piece. Should I be looking for a rajo model c head since the intake and exhaust are on the same side?backside


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Chaffin on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:23 pm:

I would mount it to a block to keep it straight and then weld it. It should work just fine. That combination is for a stock engine. I'm not sure it would work on any RAJO head.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Chaffin on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:34 pm:

The RAJO C35 head had three exhaust ports and two intake ports all on the passenger side. The C35 intake and exhaust manifolds are very hard to find in good condition.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Chaffin on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:49 pm:

Here is a photo of a C35 head and manifold.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:55 pm:

I learned of the rajo head from a catalog possibly prepared by my grandfather. After looking at it again, maybe the Rajo head was not on the car, but just included with sale of the car. I have attached the verbage from the catalogcatalog verbage


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:57 pm:

here is the pic of the car from the 1974 catalogpic of car from 1974


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:59 pm:

here is an early picture of the engine compartmentearly pic of engine compartment


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:00 pm:

Here is current state--I am trying to put it back as it wascurrent state


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:03 pm:

Can you tell me about the water injection system?water injection


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:06 pm:

Mark,

It does not look like the schebler intake and exhaust would work with the Model C35--your thoughts?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:09 pm:

Any thoughts about what kind of carburetor I should be looking for based on the pictures and the intake? The catalog indicates a schebler carb?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:21 pm:

Here is a pic of the car in the 20s or 30s


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:26 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:28 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:32 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Chaffin on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:39 pm:

The head is stock T and not a RAJO. The original manifold looks to be the one you have and the carburetor in the photo appears to be a Schebler updraft. Unknown model. You are correct, the Schebler manifold would not work on a C35 RAJO overhead valve cylinder head.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:56 pm:

The carb in the photo with the blue engine is a Stromberg OF. I can't tell what it is in the black and white photos.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By HARRY A DAW on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 02:56 pm:

Mark, I fell for the water injection way back when. It was suppose to increase fuel mileage. I put it on a 1954 chevy pickup I had. The vacuum from the intake drew air over the water and vaporized it. It then went in the intake manifold. It was suppose to lower the temperature of the air going into the engine which was suppose to promote better combustion. Did not realize the scam was being perpetuated back in the T days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By HARRY A DAW on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 04:26 pm:

Small correction. The air went into the unit through a tube that went to the bottom of the unit. The air then bubbled up through the water becoming humid air. It was then drawn into the intake manifold.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Flower on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 04:55 pm:

Water injection well alcohol injection works really good in turbo motors...I had it on my 86 Buick grand national....It lets you run higher boost with less knock


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 05:27 pm:

I have one in my collection,with a modelS-1 carb.If you email me I will send a picture. It is to big to load here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

The "water injection" unit is a gyppo fraud gimmick sold to unsuspecting consumers over the past 50 - 60 years. It is not period correct for a Model T, and it hurts performance and mileage. Nothing good about it unless you just like fraudulent items. They were sold in Western Auto, Sears, Wards, and just about anywhere else auto parts were sold, as well as direct marketing through Mechanics Illustrated and Popular Science magazines.

You can still find them for sale all over the internet. The buying public is dumb enough to let these types of frauds go on forever it seems.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:17 pm:

Mark J,
I hadn't heard from you in a while. Glad to see you are still working on it! "Your grandfather's T" is something very special that few people can ever have.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Jones on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 05:27 pm:

Jack Daron help me out and I now have an identical Schebler intake and exhaust manifold(without the rust damage), together with Schebler S-1 Carb attached. Now I need to figure out to link all the attachments to the carb so it will work properly. Thanks Jack, I really appreciated it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max L. Christenson on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 05:57 pm:

Probably a hole for a vacuum pipe in the existing piece. Being connected to the exhaust, the hole probably provided a means of cooling the intake manifold. However, just because they were made does not mean they worked. Hang it on a wall as a curiosity.

Quit wringing your hands over the piece you have and, instead, use a stock exhaust manifold with a stock intake manifold.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 07:34 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Flower on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 07:49 pm:

Water injection does work....here have a read here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_%28engines%29


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 10:06 pm:

Jack must be one heck of a person to give that up. Someday I would like to meet him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 11:06 pm:

Dave,I'm in the shop most days,drop by.


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