im looking for the back seat back part wood for 1924 fordor.
I have the rear seat back wood from a '27. I don't know if it is the same for a '24. Maybe someone could chime in on this...
Kenny does the rear seat back in a 24-25 fourdoor rest against the rear body ribs? There are 3 ribs in the rear that are attached to the rear body middle rail as best as I can remember.
Maybe there is avaliable an original Ford parts book that might show how it goes.
If you look at the body structure drawing it does show the 3 rear ribs. You can see this on the Fordwood website. They show the structure fairly well for the wood kit that they make for the 24-25 Fourdoors.
If you look you can see the 3 ribs have a notched rest for the rear cushion to sit on.
Not sure but maybe this will help.
Maybe there more wood for the seat backs thats not shown.
yes that did help, i have the 3 rib pieces.i thought there was a back piece.it doesnt show it on that website.thank you
Are you talking about the back cushion frame? I'm not familiar with the Fordor. The picture below shows the back cushion frame for a Tudor. The springs and upholtery attach to it then the whole assembly hangs from and/or screws to the body framing. The Tudor has a bracket on the cushion frame at the top then screws at the bottom.
Here's a picture Don Booth posted in another thread. It shows the cushion frames for a Fordor.
yes im looking for that cushion frame.
Here is a little better pic of the fordor seat frame.
The front back rest on my 24 Coupe is identical to the back rest framework in the above pics. If its not its awful close. I purchased one from Fordwood and worked pretty well.
Kenny, I have the original back cushion frame boards from my '27. If you can confirm the frames are the same then I can get the measurements for you in detail. Or, I can make the frame up for you if you'd like.
This is what I have.
i still cant fine back seat wood.or if same as 27.
i still cant fine back seat wood.or if same as 27.
The bottom frame is shaped the same as mine. The dimensions may be different. I guess what you need to do is measure across the bottom vertical braces measuring off the center of the brace. Then get a measurement of the height of the center vertical brace to about 1" from the bottom of the rear window. I can compare it to mine.
Some pictures with measurements. This is for the 1927 Fordor.
thanks don going to measure now and let you know.
form center of center brace to outside of end brace is 18 5/8" and from top of lip on center brace to about 1" to bottom of window is 25"
Well like I said this is a frame for a '27. The rear window of a '24 would be different. I guess you need to see the interior of another '24 and see where the cushion ends up in relation to the window.
thanks for trying.
If you look in the parts book, the rear seat back cushion frame is p/n 16225. It is shown as used from 1924 - 1927. The back window frame - p/n 16019 is also used from 23 - 27. The rear strainers (vertical pieces at the back of the body) are also used from 23 - 27 as are the upper and lower rear body panels. This seems to indicate that the rear portion of the body is the same for the 23 - 27 bodies, however it is possible that they made changes to the parts and did not change the part number. The rear belt rail has a different part number for 23 - 25 vs 26 - 27. Don't know what that is all about.
The seat frame for the 24-25 Coupe looks the same but it has a different part number. The Record of Changes indicates that the Coupe one was only used on the Coupe. I'm assuming the dimensions are different, but without digging one out and measuring it I can't say exactly what the difference is.
Thank you David...
David S, after looking at Snyders Catalog, the 24-25 Coupe backrest spring and the 24-25 Fordoor back seat backrest spring are different part no's BUT the price is the same which would indicate that they are awful close if not identical in size.
Using this logic you could purchase the back seat spring of the 24-25 Fordoor and then purchase the wood kit from Cubels for a 24-25 Coupe and adapt it to the Fordoor spring. I'll bet its not much different.
I would bet a person could call Snyders and just ask them if they are the same size. I have talked to Tom and he very good to talk to.
After all the Fordor Backseat seat frame has the 3 seat notches to accomadate the 3 upright pieces on the backrest spring frame as the Coupe framework.
Just a thought but I bet it would work.
I compared the measurements above with one from a 24 coupe and they appear to be the same. Not sure why they are different part numbers. Someone will have to look at the drawings and compare.
Kenny, looking at this '24 fordor the rear window appears to be the same height from the trim as my '27 is. I think you would be safe using the above dimensions, you could always tweak it a bit to make it work. Good luck.
I guess so I have no choose.thanks for all your help.
Still looking for front seat bottom of springs and back seat back for springs mount to. HELP
I'm hardly an expert but everything I've read, including Bruce's Bible, states that Fordor bodies didn't change after 1925........that was the only one that did not......so.......
Kenny, if your car is similar to mine then you can use these pictures. I have the original wood for the front seats to mine. If you need them measured out let me know.
dan yes it looks the same.if you can measure the front bottom and back back part.with close picture.that would help me out a lot.thank you.
Well Kenny, I hope this makes sense to you. The best advice I can give is to use the contours of the seat riser for proper fitting of the frame. Also, on the bottom side of the frame a upholstery troff is routered in to allow the frame to sit tight on the top of the seat riser as shown in a picture here. Let me know if you have questions I will try to answer them.
I'm building Kenny's front seat riser so he doesn't have that yet. I sure would appreciate a verification measurement on the width of the seat riser though. I need the distance between the B-Pillars at the upper mounting bolt location. This is where the side-tabs of the seat riser attach to the pillar.
While I'm here: What attached to the two inward tabs of the front seat heel panel? There's two tabs punched into the face of the heel panel (turned inward) but it doesn't look like anything was attached to them.
Ken I will try to get the measurements for you tomorrow morning. I'll check on the tabs also, they may be for the fiberboard cover under the seats? Ford had a pressed cardboard dust cover in between the riser and the bottom of the seats...or there are tabs that the end boards (bulkheads on each end of the gas tank) mount to with bolts you can see the bulkheads in the above picture~
Ok, I see the tank end-boards now. Thanks Don. That makes sense. I don't have the measurement handy but that's about where the tabs are on the heal panel.
Yeah, the dust cover tabs appear along the top of the rear riser piece. I figured those out.
Kenny and Ken, this is what I have I hope it helps in your endeavors...
That works for me. Thanks Don.