Anyone with experience with Langs lined brake kit for 09-25 small drums??

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 04:36 pm:

hello, saw this kit...

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&tbo=d&rlz=1C1_____enUS486U S486&biw=1777&bih=861&tbm=isch&tbnid=2Z_IPpNF-cR6IM:&imgrefurl=http://www.hfha.o rg/HenryFord.htm&docid=dJrH_XlWhgJNMM&imgurl=http://www.hfha.org/birth_of_the_fo rd_motor_company_files/sweep.jpg&w=361&h=224&ei=rBGjUP7bL4aB0QHayYCwBw&zoom=1&ia ct=rc&dur=293&sig=101769348362864909002&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=228&start=0&ndsp=40 &ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:80&tx=40&ty=47

Looks great and i was wondering if anyone has had experience with it. Let me know please. Im trying to decide if its worth the money. Thanks again! -Nathan B


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 06:03 pm:

Nathan - When I click on that link, I get The Henry Ford Heritage Association and not Langs brake kit.

Could you please check the link for us?

Thanks, Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike_black on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 06:07 pm:

If you're talking about their #2557KIT, I put a set on my 1915. I like them. My shoes were broken in half and my pins and bushings were badly worn. The cams were a bear to replace--I cut the old cams with a cuttoff wheel to drill out the pins holding the arms to the cams to reuse the arms. If your cams and bushings aren't worn, it's an easy install and you could get by with #2566A (Call them and make sure that's the shoes that come with the KIT). You'll have to grind the corners where they come together to keep them from hitting the hub bolts, but, that's no big deal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 06:24 pm:

http://www.modeltford.com/item/2557KIT.aspx
Sorry guys and gals! thanks mike! any other opinions? mike, can you slide the wheels with these?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 06:28 pm:

Snyders has a better quality one piece lined brake shoe that doesn't need as much fitting as the usual two piece cast repros: http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/221
I don't know if they supply other vendors with this part yet?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike_black on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 06:43 pm:

I haven't had the need to do that yet, but, since I also replaced the old axle housing caps and felt with the modern #2510N caps, there's no doubt that it would in an emergency.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 07:54 pm:

Roger -- Snyder's supplies Texas T Parts with the repro stuff, including the new brake shoes. (BTW, those shoes are 10 times better than what we've been getting elsewhere.) I often order from Texas T because they're closer to me than the other vendors and I get my parts quicker.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Bishop, San Diego on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 08:37 pm:

Mike,
Are they difficult to install? Anything special need to be done? Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 09:02 pm:

bob, to my understanding, these shoes simply replace the metal shoes on your T. if your cams and bushings are good, then this would be a simple afternoon project. Also, Why are the one piece shoes "better"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 09:17 pm:

I installed the Lang's small brake kit about 6 mos ago. Took quite a bit of grinding and drilling to fit them properly.

End result was satisfactory though.

schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike_black on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 09:38 pm:

I just looked at the 2011-12 Lang's catalog again and their pic is wrong, the kit came with one-piece shoes that went on without having to do anything. When I saw that the pin holding the arm to the cam wouldn't drive out, I tried to get by just replacing the shoes. It took longer trying to adjust the rods to make them work than it took to install the shoes. My cams were worn so bad, especially the shaft going through the bushing, that I couldn't adjust enough to actuate the shoes enough to hold well, so, I had to change the cams. After assembly was complete is when I discovered the hub bolts hit the shoes. I ground the corners and all was fine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 09:47 pm:

I put the lined 2 piece shoes on my '22 last summer and had to do some grinding to make some clearances so the bosses that ride on the brake cam wouldn't hit the wheel bolts and loosen them. Once I got them corrected I'm very happy with them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 10:38 pm:

Used the 2 piece set-up before the 1 piece lined shoes were available. Usual problems. Brake drum bolts hitting, shoes not being retained to the backing plates to my satisfaction, ect. I sure wouldn't use them again since the 1 piece is available.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 12:10 am:

I gotta agree with Charlie on this one. There's no way I'd put the 2 piece on again now that they have the one piece.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Sosnoski on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 12:30 am:

The cast iron lined brake shoes which Lang's is currently selling are the 2566AQ - which are the new one piece design. These are also the ones which are included in the kit 2557KIT. These are much better quality than the older two piece style. When they first came out there was still a little bit of grinding which was needed to make them work. I can't remember the details. I don't know if that has since been fixed or not. Call Steve at Lang's and ask - he will know.

Dave S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 12:57 am:

thanks! i appreciate all the help :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:03 am:

Bob B. --I'm a little slow in getting around to answering your question, but it looks as if everyone else has. :-)

The other 2-piece ones we've been getting for years were a pain to use, because they needed to be "fitted." The newer one-piece ones went right in without having to do anything to them. There was some discussion here when they first came out that they might eventually break into two pieces and that they might not break where you wanted them to. So I took a cutoff wheel on an angle grinder and scored them where they would break at the center, if they did break. I figured it couldn't hurt.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 07:48 pm:

I used the 1 piece lined shoes on 15 Steve's car and had no problems with them. I put springs on both the fore and aft portions of the shoes. Probably only needed on the fore part but I had the springs.

The aftermarket bolts used to mount the McLaren wire wheels, and the two drums, smaller for the parking brake and larger for the Rocky Mountain brakes, interfered with the brake shoes at the cam. A little grinding solved the problem. Probably not a problem with the thinner bolts used on stock wood wheels and one drum.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 09:53 pm:

Thanks for the photo Neil. I'm tempted to pull my 2 piece lined shoes out and put the new style 1 piece back in. The only reason I put the 2 piece in last summer was to the best of my knowledge, they were the only ones available without going back to the originals and they were prone to breaking. Within a couple weeks of putting the 2 piece in I heard about the 1 piece lined. And when it comes to my model t's I'm willing to put the expense into it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:04 pm:

any tricks on installing new bushings?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 10:01 am:

Of course it's up to you Mike but once the 2 piece shoes are fitted to your car they work just fine. As to originality, I don't think the small drum one piece shoes were ever lined from the factory anyway.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 05:33 pm:

I have installed a set on my T, they were easy to install, and work great.
Best
Gus


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