OT: Ford Model A sells for $165000

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Constantine in Melbourne, Australia on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 03:29 pm:

see:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/24/autos/dillinger_car_auction/

So the next time someone tries to carjack you just give them the keys!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 03:55 pm:

My, my. What some people will pay for bragging rights.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:16 pm:

I know a company that will get the blood stain out and fix the bullet hole.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:27 pm:

It'll be written off the income tax as advertising expense for some casino like Whiskey Pete's, who have (one of) the Bonnie & Clyde 1934 Ford(s).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:30 pm:

All I can say is: Prove it....

According to "Dillinger: The Untold Story", they only used "a coupe" (does not specify make or year) for less than one complete day. They drove away from Bohemia Lodge and were driving around much of the night and next day that they were dog-assed tired and pulled over to sleep. There were three people in the car.

Newspapers reported that a 10 mile raging gun battle ensued during the escape, but actually only a couple of shots were fired at the car by three deputies while the car was parked along the road. Hamilton was mortally wounded and died four days later.

However they drove the car to Chicago where they promptly abandoned it for a Maroon Ford Sedan, which was probably a 1933 or 34.

The Franklin Mint says his getaway car was a 1933 Ford Deluxe.

One could be lead to believe that it was quite possibly the same make, model and year that Bonnie and Clyde were killed in (not the same car, but similar), a 1934 Ford Deluxe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:46 pm:

I am very suprised by this. A few years ago there was a write up in a national model a magazine on this car and how in my opinion history was erased in the restoration of the car. They even welded up the bullet holes! I found it hard to take as the only explianation they gave was they wanted a nice model a to drive. That said I wonder what it would brought had it not had been destroyed by a careless resto. My guess is alott more.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 05:12 pm:

Also, I find it hard to believe that the original family would retain the car, since the owner was forced to drive them away in the car, and then he was kicked out of the car and the other three took off in it. There's a lot of distance between Bohemia Lodge at Manitowish Waters, Wisconsin and Chicago, IL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 05:21 pm:

Only reason I doubt it, there was a lot of crap made up about what happened in Dillinger's life, for example the 10 mile gun battle, that sometimes you have to have some skepticism....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 05:42 pm:

And I'll go one further: The movie "Public Enemies" shows Van Meter and Baby Face Nelson getting killed outside Little Bohemia Lodge. How can this be when Nelson stole the FBI's car and got away, and Van Meter was with Dillinger in the getaway car! Nelson was killed in Nov 1934 and Van Meter in Aug 1934. The shootout occurred in April 1934.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 10:19 pm:

Problem is, those guys used changed cars like we do shirts. There is really no telling if this is in any way his car, unless his name was on the registration (which I'd be willing to bet it aint...he never registered a car). It is a really nice looking Model A though, but it aint worth no 165K no matter who owned it!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 11:29 pm:

No, he definitely didn't own it...he stole it. The car he tore off from the lodge in was owned by Ray Johnson, who was an employee of Edward Mitchell, who owned a nearby resort. They couldn't get to the cars they had originally driven to the Little Bohemia Lodge in because they were surrounded.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:43 am:

My Model T sedan has the name of a recreation hall in Wisconsin. I'm pretty sure Ma Barker and her sons stole it at one point then abandoned it somewhere in Indiana. Actually I'm pretty sure Baby Butt Bill Nelson (George's brother) was shot right next to it when Ma and the boys and Baby Butt were on their way to North Dakota. They knew it was him because he was with a lady who was wearing a red dress. Elliot Ness shot him I think.

For Sale: 1926 Ford Model T Sedan. Ex-Ma Barker car. $500,000. Call BR-549


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:45 am:

Here is more detailed info on the car:

http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/blogs/under-the-hood/dillinger-ford-now-and-then


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:50 am:

Every time I see the title to this thread with that kind of price, I'm thinking this kind of Model A:




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 07:46 am:

That High Speed pursuit with a hail of gunfire the Old Cars Weekly story eludes to, did not happen. That was police falsification to make themselves appear smarter, when in fact they were made to look like bumbling idiots because they couldn't catch him.

The SAME car was returned several years later after Dillinger was killed? Show me the documentation....because I don't believe it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 09:35 am:

Remember the old saying.... There's a sucker born every minute..!
If I had that kind of money to go look for a car to buy, I would come home with a truck load of model a's or one heck of a nice Packard.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robbie Price on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:16 am:

Is this a good deal on an early model T?

Robbie


Click on the link below:

http://tnlist.com/for-sale/1911-model-t-ford-roadster-28900-cleveland-tn-107938.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robbie Price on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:19 am:

Link don't work?

1911 Model T Ford Roadster - $28900 (Cleveland, TN.)

Publish Date: 10-10-2012 03:00:28 | Contact name: Craig's List Post | Location: Cleveland | Place: Cleveland | 2 times displayed |

Frame off restoration of a 1911 Model T Ford this car is sitting on a same as new 20's chassis to much new stuff to list. Anything you can see or touch it on this car has been rebuilt or bought new...! Better than when Henry Ford built it.
Only thing it likes being complete is the top I have everything for the top except the fabric....
Would consider trades on Big Block Cars as follows: Roadrunners, Chevelle SS, Super Bee, Mach 1, Torino GT, Plymouth GTX, Pontiac GTO, Hot Rod, Street Rod...
We have 4 - 5 antique cars I'm ready for something different, just for the sake of change. If you have any question of what my T is worth go to modelthaven.com look at pre-war cars for sale they have one like mine that is approx: 50% complete $17,900
I'm looking for a quality car to trade on if you have a bucket of bondo don't bother! If you have a solid quality car and want a fantastic vintage Model T Ford lets talk.
Ask for Steve 423-284-9750 after 10:30 am. text ok dealers don't wast your time no help needed selling my car...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jem Bowkett on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:51 am:

Reminds me of a car dealer I know who invented a legend about a fairly ordinary little 1933 Chrysler 6 (well actually a Desoto but they badged them Chrysler in Europe). He thought it would generate a little bit more interest at auction, 'cos he wanted out of the car and didn't think it would sell.

But it got out of control in a big way. He ended up being interviewed on national TV and had to carry through with the bluff. The thing made at least 10 times its actual value and was bought by a national newspaper to use as a prize. Then they found it needed a major restoration to be driveable. I don't think it ended with a lawsuit, the car just disappeared from view.

Al Capone's Chrysler at auction
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19870924&id=IK9AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VTI HAAAAIBAJ&pg=4444,2922967


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Friday, November 23, 2012 - 03:27 am:

rob.... Thanks for the sales plug.

Jem I'm not a car salesman, just like building these things this one is the 3rd T we've built in the last few years. 2nd brass car we've done...the 1909 touring look-a-like brought $25k.
When you list cars on Craigslist as I have this one you gotta start your price high, so everyone thinks your giving them a great deal, there's a bunch of "cheap folks" here in our town always trying to get stuff for nothing, you know how that is...
But hey here's a few pics Jem...have a look at it, the top is next thing to go on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robbie Price on Friday, November 23, 2012 - 07:46 am:

You're welcome.
I am a little confused though,
I didn't know Rusty gave 25k for the mock 09?
And last I heard, a few weeks ago, you turned down 20k for the roadster.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Friday, November 23, 2012 - 07:56 pm:

Rob Thanks for being a Faithful follower of all my post's.

Confused...?

I'm sure there's a lot of things you and I don't know.

But it's amazing what all I can find out from a close family friend.
Your Packard wheels turned out great.... I like red too.
Odd you didn't let those go with the car....? Grin.

Be careful with the little 09 look-a-like don't get in it to deep $$$ with all those modern engine parts, I remember it was a mixed bag of stray parts as well first time I saw it 30 some years ago, much like my 11.

Good thing Earl got the hard to find axles, engine, ect.. years ago, but the best part is the average person can't tell an original T from fake when looking at one, so your safe.
Happy T'ing ..... ! (Final post)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Woolf on Friday, November 23, 2012 - 08:44 pm:

The Model A that brought $165K was featured in the Model A Ford Club of America “Restorer” magazine in Nov-Dec 2009. The article states that the history of the car was authenticated using newspaper pictures that were printed in 1934 shortly after the car was stolen and used by the gangsters. The newspaper pictures included a picture from the rear of the car showing the broken glass in the rear window and a bullet hole near the rumble seat. Also, there was a picture of the front seat showing the large blood stain made after John Hamilton was shot in the back during the ensuing car chase and shootout. These unique features were all present prior to the restoration. The article states “The pre-restoration condition was thoroughly documented in pictures. One of the most valuable and revealing is a rear view showing the cracks in the smashed rear window that perfectly matches the period photograph published in the Boston Daily Record. ..Anyone can put a round through the rear of a Model A, but to break the window in the precise spider web pattern is all but impossible.”

I thought I would offer up some information from the article that was used to authenticate the history of the car since there seemed to be some question about its authenticity.

Full disclosure: I do not know the owner and do not have any connection to this vehicle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robbie Price on Friday, November 23, 2012 - 11:22 pm:

I have a lot of irons in the fire so I don't have the time or interest to be a follower unless I was 20 years younger and you were Shania Twain.
Although I have been confused before. I hope I don't have old timers at 47 but Somebody told me about trading a mock 09 for a 27 Dodge and a 20 model T Coupe and sent me pictures in an email...Must have been someone else.
Hey, like the story some close family friends told, I made a cool 8k on that Packard, why would I let two sets of wheels go with it?
BTW seeing those wheels was planned, I have a 40 X 60 garage with shelving 18 feet tall, why would I store them anywhere else? Go figure...Grin.

When I build a June, 1909 engine, I better do it right. A broken crankshaft could mean a ruined block and you don't find them on every street corner. don't worry about the $$, I have shopped around and made some good deals but if you're going to ride the train you gotta buy a ticket.
Not a basket of parts here , I have a lot of History on this car and pictures of the original owner standing by the car Very interesting the information that is out there. It's been a lot of fun so far and I am sure the best is yet to come as everything starts to come together.

We didn't like the blackberry pie.
Happy T'ing and VW'ing.
 
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Woolf on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 12:52 pm:

Steve,

Is that a '29 Dodge Victory Six pictured with your T? My parents have a '28 Victory Six sedan.

Dan


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