found an old post about trash bag clincher tire mounting.that was a big help i was doing that all wrong.
Never worked for me as I couldn't retrieve all the torn pieces of garbage bag out from under the tire bead.
there is still a couple little pieces i'm sure
I mounted my first tire a few weeks ago. It was a new clincher "driver." I mounted with the wheel on the car and used some dish soap and water solution. It was not hard to do and only took about 20 minutes. I stretched it over the rim with a tire iron wrapped in duct tape to protect the paint. The tire had been stored in a heated garage before mounting. No trash bag needed, except to throw the trash in when done. Not hard at all.
I had to put a new tube in a 45 year old tire. The only way I could get the tire back on the rim was to do it in the summer sun with the bag trick. The bag compensates for a rough rim. Getting all the pieces of the bag out can be a pain but I saw someone say that you don't have to get all of it out.
I use plenty of dish washing soap solution cut about 50-50 and wood tire "irons" made out of oak, 20" long and shaped at the ends. Works well and does not scratch the paint.
I use Murphy's oil soap.
i left mine in the house all nite so it was warm and mounted it in livingroom floor,my tire was old too.
Today I demounted four clinchers from my '20 fairground racer; removed the ancient rock-hard tires and old tubes. Talk about a struggle, but the old Ford tire iron helped a lot.
I used the trash bag method to put the new tubes and tires on the rims. By the time I got to the fourth rim, it took all of three minutes to install the tube/tire on the rim and remove the bag.
Stunned by how easy it was. Even the fellow helping me -- a tremendous Model T authority -- was surprised.
Bill, would love to see a picture of the Oak tire iron....Chip
I've been mounting clincher tires for over 50 years, and yesterday, after mounting it to the rim, I inflated it, and noticed it was starting to work its way out of the bead. Before I could get to the work bench to get the valve core remover, it blew! The only thing I can attribute it to was I must have used too much talcum power, and some of it got on the outside of the bead. Off to Lucas on Monday!
I prefer to mount 'em dry. If they are made to slip on easy, they may slip off easy, or at least walk, a problem I've never had.
There is a lot of variation in tires, especially older tires. I do not know how the new ones are because the last new ones I bought was about ten years ago and they have changed manufacturer since.
Now practically all of them are made by the same factory, but that does not necessarily mean that the molds and fit are all the same.
Older tires came from several different factories using different molds and formulas. Some go onto rims easily, some with great difficulty. Some will never do what Larry Smith's tire did. They are just too snug. Many will do what Larry's tire did. Always assume your tire might do that. Air it up slowly at first. Work the tire around a bit until the clincher bead seats into the rim all the way around on both sides. You can do this by bouncing the tire on the ground a bit if it is a demountable. I usually manage to work it into place with very low pressure and squeezing the tire by hand. Once it is properly seated, then air it up cautiously. (Ever had a 30X3.5 blow out a sidewall just as you hit 60psi? My head hurt for the rest of the day.)
The tighter the fit, the more likely you will need to use one of the mounting aids, plastic bag, heat, talcum powder, dish soap, etc.
Richard Wolf mentions Murphy's Oil Soap. When I was doing underground construction, we used Murphy's and its earlier incarnation Flaxsoap as a lubricant for pulling cable into conduit and pipe. It was the best stuff we ever found for that. We used to buy it by the gallon tub in a gooey paste consistency which could be thinned down to about twenty gallons of liquid.
Drive carefully, and enjoy the holidays! W2
You can get that Murphy's oil soap at any grocery store. Works for me.
Be careful of soap or anything else water-based. It will accelerate rusting.
Has anyone tried to use vegetable oil?
I find it works great.