I know, the T engine doesn't have an oil pump!
What I wanted to know was has anyone heard of the modification that involves fitting (I believe) a VW Bug oil pump on the back of the crankcase and (I think) driven off the camshaft?
I have someone that wants to use his Model T for hillclimbs over here but he's worried about getting enough oil to the front of the engine when on steep inclines (it's off road type hillclimbing). We plan to fit oil slingers (had hoped to get the 3 bolt fitting type but they seem to have stopped making them) and a large external oil line (mag will be removed as he runs a distributor already).
Also, does anyone know if the cast sump extensions that fit between the 4-dip inspection cover and the sump (pan) are still available?
Many thanks,
Richard
How long are these hillclimbs? An engine will run awhile without damage with no oil at all. I wouldn't do that, but I wouldn't go overboard with extra sump and all that stuff, either...
Terry Horlick has the best front oiling setup.
rdr
Some folks run them with good success but they need a check valve as they have been known to lose their prime.
I found an adapter (no longer being made to the best of my knowledge) and run a Datsun B210 pump off the cam gear in the generator hole.
I just read a couple paragraphs in a '22 Dyke's manual about making a small piston oil pump using a T valve tappet for the piston and a pair of balls and springs for check valves.
Runs off a cam lobe but you have to drill a hole in the block to bolt it outside the cam.
Looked pretty slick and simple.
Lang's offers the VW pump adapter for rear of cam shaft, and they have deep sump oil pans, and the oil pan spacer that would work. p 163 in Lang's 2012 catalog.
Big outside oil line is a good idea, the better oil lines use a fitting off the left side of the hogshead, not at the opening for the mag post. Throws a whole bunch more oil. Like this setup, big pipe and fittings.
couple of ways to skin the cat.
Oil pump in place of the generator. On a hill climb car it would be fine as you wouldn't really need a charging system. You will note in the back ground the sump you are asking about. You can see the oil filter also. I have lots of pictures, contact me if you like.
The other way is off the cam. VW style oil pump lower right.
Hope this helps and gives you some ideas..You can make or buy the oil pump mount.
I have oil pressure on the speedster, details and photos are at the San Diego club web site www.mtfcsd.com and follow the link to Adding an Oil Pump.
I'm not sure it is worth all the effort and I generally install the Texas T setup with flappers and a huge outside line for customers.
I bought my Datsun 210 oil pump/filter mount from the late Kirk Wright who made them. If they are being made, now, I'm not aware of it.
i have seen one setup that takes a larger rubber oil line from the oil plug in the bottom of the hogshead to either a) a hole tapped with threads in the inspection plate on the pan or b) a hole in the oil fill cap. in this line would be an oil filter
the man who had this setup was from NY and had a early 20s touring car. he said the magnets would push the oil out of the bottom of the hogshead, through the filter and into the inspection plate w/o problem. he said the slingers were actually powerful enough to pump the oil two feet above the outlet in the bottom of the hogshead.
what do yall think?
Im thinking of adding an oil filter to the set up in the picture that Dan got .
I Think That with a free flowing filter it could work ,.Will have to test it
Lorenzo, the problem with adding an inline oil filter is that it takes a little pressure to force it through the filter and yet still have the same pressure coming out of the filter as is going into the filter. Even the cheapest screw on filter will cause restriction and I don't know if even a high volume oil line kit picking up oil from the trans slung by the magnets or slingers would provide enough pressure. That is why the Datsun B 210 outside mounted oil pump and screw on filter works so well. That is what I and Walt have and I think is what Mike uses as well.
Thanks all for the replies.
We do plan to remove the magneto anyway as the car runs a distributor. We had hoped to fit the better quality oil slingers that attach with three bolts but it seems these are no longer available. We will also be fitting the Texas T Parts outside oil line complete with scoop in the hogshead. I may suggest the small sump extension that is often used with A crank conversions just to keep a little oil at the front of the motor.
Richard